All Blacks v Ireland - 2nd Test
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@Chris i can concede that if he'd come through the gate then i could be drawn to the shoulder to shoulder/ fair contest side of things....but i kind of figure when you're THAT offside then you're opening yourself up to every inch of criticism
i dont think its unfair to say the irish dude doesn't expect to get hit, he's looking up and seeing one of his guys in front of him, so it is quite different in my mid to the same hit in open play
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
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@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time. No one can change the facts it was not a penalty, But the offside by SB was.The 2nd test is 5 days away, the team isnāt named until Thursday (I think itās Thursday, can anyone confirm that?), so there is plenty of time to wasteā¦
Keep wasting your time talking about it, no problems its all hot air anyway.Highlander's will give you something to talk about over the next couple of weeks.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
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@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
Read it again actually it was in the First test thread where all this started after the game.
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@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
Read it again actually it was in the First test thread where all this started after the game.
so no this thread, talking shit, gotcha
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
No, somebody did say it. A few beers in I would imagine.
I imagine the posters defending SB here would have a different option of it was Nepo being that stupid. Both have similar red card brain farts, and poor clean out technique.
As for the comment about going and watching League, a very real possibility of us playing with 13 if those two don't improve this area of their game.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
Read it again actually it was in the First test thread where all this started after the game.
so no this thread, talking shit, gotcha
Here you go champ
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:I don't think Scott Barrett can play for the All Blacks again. He should have had another red card. He is just a bit of a dog. With no 20 minute red card he is just a liability.
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@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
Read it again actually it was in the First test thread where all this started after the game.
so no this thread, talking shit, gotcha
Here you go champ
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:I don't think Scott Barrett can play for the All Blacks again. He should have had another red card. He is just a bit of a dog. With no 20 minute red card he is just a liability.
ooh i got champed!
so not this thread, and that was hydro TBF, he's big on hot takes.
The boy does skate the line though, that much cannot be dismissed. He's far more of a risk than should be dismissed with the usual red and black "nothing to see here". He's indiscriminate with that shoulder, and his target areas are, shall we say, on the reckless side.
And it's not like he's some newbie who can have his rough edges sanded.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
Read it again actually it was in the First test thread where all this started after the game.
so no this thread, talking shit, gotcha
Here you go champ
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:I don't think Scott Barrett can play for the All Blacks again. He should have had another red card. He is just a bit of a dog. With no 20 minute red card he is just a liability.
ooh i got champed!
so not this thread, and that was hydro TBF, he's big on hot takes.
The boy does skate the line though, that much cannot be dismissed. He's far more of a risk than should be dismissed with the usual red and black "nothing to see here". He's indiscriminate with that shoulder, and his target areas are, shall we say, on the reckless side.
And it's not like he's some newbie who can have his rough edges sanded.
Not going to argue on your latter points that is true,
But personally sick of hearing about shit that didn't get carded.
You can come back at me if he fucks up this week and I will cop it. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Chris said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
Last thing from me on the Scott Barrett non offence. The Ref saw it as Shoulder on Shoulder so no card,the judiciary didn't see it as a citing offence.
So the debate about an incident that was deemed Ok by the people who really matter is a complete waste of time.No one can change the facts it was not a penalty,But the offside by SB was.holy shit uncircle the wagons cantabs
absolutely no one here is saying it was a fucking red card. no one.
plenty of reasons it was dumb. and it was a penalty. So there's your first proof it was dumb.
Well we have a poster way up this thread saying SB should never be picked in the ABs again and should have been Red carded,massive over reaction so scroll through the whole thread.
quote it so we can have a laugh
Scroll through and see it, I had my say on it I don't want to call the dude out,Its not in my nature to squeal on people.
i've read the whole thread and you are talking shit
Read it again actually it was in the First test thread where all this started after the game.
so no this thread, talking shit, gotcha
Here you go champ
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v Ireland - 1st Test:I don't think Scott Barrett can play for the All Blacks again. He should have had another red card. He is just a bit of a dog. With no 20 minute red card he is just a liability.
ooh i got champed!
so not this thread, and that was hydro TBF, he's big on hot takes.
Haha, that there is one of your best š
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@Dan54 I agree, no card, however, he was mere millimetres/milliseconds away from ANOTHER red card, and I expect that one woulda been for 6 plus weeks with his history.
Sure you can argue plenty of incidents are close to red cards, but that was closer than many, glad it lead to nothing, however if he had been carded most eoulda said dumb arse and moved on.
The main issue is, he didn't even need to do it, given he was well off side before he moved anyway...had he been on side he'd not have been in a position to have a crack as he did.
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What irritates me most is it was unnecessary, and the timing and manner in which he did it could easily have resulted in a RC because it was already a penalty. All it needed was POM moving the wrong way slightly at the wrong time and it's a shoulder to the face. Nothing about it was in the control of Barrett. Smarter players don't do that on their line.
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@Crucial im not sure i follow...you can stand behind you own ruck and not be offside...if anything that might make it worse, its not even a clean out...he's just thumped someone off the ball
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crucial im not sure i follow...you can stand behind you own ruck and not be offside...if anything that might make it worse, its not even a clean out...he's just thumped someone off the ball
SB is touching the ruck so doesnāt have to be behind the last player the way refs rule this (eg guards).
Ireland 6 is also āboundā by a touch. If he picks up the ball when he unbinds he is fair game to SB as the ruck has finished.
Unfortunately the timing was out. SB was offside because he had a crack early not because of where he was standing as many keep saying. -
@Crucial you still have to enter the ruck through the gate, like the Irish player isā¦SB has just walked up to the side or the ruck and touched it
Heās either bound legally but entered illegally or heās not bound and offside
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@Crucial said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks Vs Ireland - 2nd Test:
@Crucial im not sure i follow...you can stand behind you own ruck and not be offside...if anything that might make it worse, its not even a clean out...he's just thumped someone off the ball
SB is touching the ruck so doesnāt have to be behind the last player the way refs rule this (eg guards).
Ireland 6 is also āboundā by a touch. If he picks up the ball when he unbinds he is fair game to SB as the ruck has finished.
Unfortunately the timing was out. SB was offside because he had a crack early not because of where he was standing as many keep saying.He can't pick up the ball, as you can't use your hands when you are in the ruck. As soon as a player is 'unbound' the player must then get back onside to grab the ball or tackle a player
