Super Rugby 2022
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moving to Stan fucked it as well
There is not a single pub in Cairns that carries Stan Sport (apparently it's fucking expensive) so there is one level of interest gone. You can't even go to the pub with your mates and watch the Reds play a QF.
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@antipodean probably right, which actually seems like an argument in support of a domestic comp.
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@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@antipodean well neither does SR. Most of the tiny deal we currently have is based on Wallabies value.
Plus - you have to consider why there a no fans anymore. SR is probably a significant factor in the decline.
I think to be more accurate - lack of SR success is probably a significant factor in the decline.
And that’s fair enough when it comes to fans and also the casual follower.
Success breeds all sorts of things - quality players, coaches, administrators, sponsors, buy in etc. Look at that Crusaders thread!
My simple way of thinking about it is that it has gotten to the point that the ARU want to see if a domestic comp (and all that comes with that - TV, marketing etc) can work without SR hanging over their heads.
The problem is that the de-entanglement from old SANZAR remnants and now SRP don’t make that easy or clean, so what happens when something is not easy or straightforward, there is a tendency for some to shoot from the hip publicly and see what reactions they get - hence these articles.
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@Derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Kiwiwomble I don't know why people look at the NRL and AFL and conclude a domestic comp couldn't possibly work. Isn't that evidence domestic comps are popular?
A-League obviously a good counterpoint to this - though it is probably barely in the top 100 of global leagues in terms of quality.
The AFL and NRL are like Coles and Woolies, and they will tell you that the domestic supermarket sector is “working” too 😉
The A-League’s, Netball comp’s of the Aussie sport landscape, plus whatever the ARU has in mind are like the small independents that will struggle, charge $8 for a loaf of bread, but only be able to offer a very niche product for Tv deals. If that’s what they want then there will be pain, but it will be their pain and they will own and control it (probably along with a significant boost of corporate welfare from govt)
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@ACT-Crusader but that's what we've already got. We were offered a pittance for SR.
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Ditch Super and the central contracts. Take our existing franchises (including Drua and MP) and add in franchises based in Tokyo, Honolulu and the US West coast.
Time zones work with a bit of clever scheduling for all games to be on at drinking time in two places at once (whether that is arvo, evening, late arvo). Put salary caps on and a draft. Players can either put their hats in the ring for overseas franchises or not. Sell it to Amazon.
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@Crucial nah I think the semi global comps are doomed. No one cares.
All the best leagues in the world are local.
Is there a good semi/ global league anywhere In team sport?
I said this during covid and still stand buy it. Full npc with Heineken cup to add flavour.
Test tours play npc teams for more pizazz.
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@muddyriver said in Super Rugby 2022:
@Crucial nah I think the semi global comps are doomed. No one cares.
All the best leagues in the world are local.
Is there a good semi/ global league anywhere In team sport?
I said this during covid and still stand buy it. Full npc with Heineken cup to add flavour.
Test tours play npc teams for more pizazz.
I miss the Ranfurly shield meaning something
A full strength Taranaki would be fun to watch right now
Personally I think 14 teams is too many (but obviously 5 SR sides is too few for a competition)
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@Duluth i think it still does mean something the smaller unions, i know otago loved it when we won it
that sounds about right, i would also stop re branding at every chance, these weird trophies...come up with one cup that the top comp always plays for...you can tweek the format...but lets try and build some history into these comps
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
i think it still does mean something the smaller unions, i know otago loved it when we won it
It's larping. It means a fraction of what it used to. You can tell by the crowds
That would change if the competition it was part of was meaningful again. It's not meaningful now, it's a dev competition to feed into SR
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@KiwiMurph yep. And unlike the Premier League I don’t think relegation / promotion will work for NZ rugby.
There needs to be some certainty for a good period to get the new comp established etc.
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@ACT-Crusader we dont think theres any value in the slim chance of promotion sparking interest in teams currently outside the top10? or relegation sparking interest in bottom of the table games?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@ACT-Crusader we dont think theres any value in the slim chance of promotion sparking interest in teams currently outside the top10? or relegation sparking interest in bottom of the table games?
anyone outside the top 10 isn't going to have professional players, so they are no hope.
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@mariner4life speaking as an otago fan...i wouldn't be surprised if we ever got rolled by by a heartland team fizzing and coming of winning their comp....and thats if you bothered with a promotion/relegation game
if it was automatic then the team coming up get to put their players on one year professional contracts plus bring some new guys...might still get a hiding against the top teams...but thats literally what we're asking aussie to do currently whilst claiming it would be good for them...make them better in the long run
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@ACT-Crusader said in Super Rugby 2022:
@KiwiMurph yep. And unlike the Premier League I don’t think relegation / promotion will work for NZ rugby.
There needs to be some certainty for a good period to get the new comp established etc.
The reality is we're in 2022. We've had professionalism for decades. Professional unions need to be amongst population centres and the others can all be clubs with proud histories.
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So, where are the teams?
North Auckland somethings (based in North Harbour)
Blues
Moana Pasifika
Chiefs
Steamers
Hurricanes
Mako
Crusaders
Highlanders- Drua, another pacific team, or?
I'm trying to think of places where we can get players to actually live, as one key issue will be that there will have to be a way of avoiding teams stacking talent.
No idea how to do that except making it so franchises can't use more than a certain percentage of the NZRU player budget (i.e., including All Black money).
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
So, where are the teams?
the issue is Super money is hardly enough to justify relocating for a draft or similar. Drafts work where the money is silly, so it's a no brainer. Super players are getting 75 to 195k (from last year - article online). For people with family, that may not be enough to actually make them want to shift.
interesting discussion though, good work
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