All Blacks 2022
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Next mon if they name say 16 backs, Richie & Beaudy, 5 midfielders, outsides Jordan, Reece, Jordie & Clarke + Perofeta as fb/10 option that would mean there would be room for 4 Halfbacks if they so choose to give TJP a lifeline🤔
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Reece was unreal on Friday and now I'm all in on him playing and being given a license.
Is there a way we can fit all of Reece, Jordan, Jordie and Clarke in the 23?
Reece has gotten better this season. He’s cut down his error rate without it affecting his instinctual play. People point to Jordan’s play and it has taken a step up also, but I think Reece has been our best back.
There is a way to fit all of them into a starting XV 😉
I've said before i am down with that. At least we'll be fun to watch.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Frank I think Christie has made huge strides this year, has been a massive part of the good in the Blues, I reckon the AB coaches will have noticed this too, he wont be discarded.
For my mind, the Irish will see Smith, Christie and Weber, TJ for the Maori.
While Fakatava may have the highest ceiling, we know the AB coaches arent quick to bin people, Smith is Smith, Christie aside from some headless stuff last night, has been very good this year, Weber looked good for the Chiefs...will Foster & Co drop one of them to make room for Fakatava? I have my doubts.
Halfback will be interesting and in some ways will be more about the selectors than the players.
One thing I think about Christie is that last November when we played Ireland he sat on the bench behind TJ and Fozzie didn't trust him to take the park. So has he now made sufficient strides in Fozzie's mind to push TJ out of the squad?
I think it will be Smith, then at least one of Weber or TJ (who will sit on the bench for the first test vs Ireland). Then maybe one of Christie or Fakatava - though, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fakatava "apprenticed".
If The Fern was selecting, the Mako are going to be fucking good this year!!!
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after the weekend i am now firmly of the following opinion
Hoskins Sotutu is the most effective loose forward in the country. Has the ability to punch through tackles. Has pace and vision in attack. Hard, effective and willing at the ruck. Good workrate. Whacks guys in defense.
His decision making has improved as well. In the lead up to the A Ioane try on the weekend, he made a break down the left, and looked like he was going to try a speccy 50/50 offload. Instead he held it, took the tackle and recycled. Absolutely the right option
And it pisses me off he won't even make the 23
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
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When all fit, Akira-Dalton-Hoskins with Ardie in the bench would be fucking dominant.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
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@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
The problem there is Havili has been underwhelming in 2022, Goodhue speedwise looks better suited to 12 and Ennor should be nowhere near a black jersey
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Jack's pace at 13 was exposed by the Reds. Alex Nankivell is probably no quicker - nor TUJ. Who else have we got? Billy Proctor?
Doesn't Leicester simply take Ennor's spot?
Hmmmm - not sure about that.
It gets discussed, but Leicester has really only started a handful of first class games at centre.
I've got Leicester in a battle for the fourth wing spot - assuming they pick one - and I'm not sure he's quite AB ready there yet. Closer than he was last year.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
The argument for RTS would be the cohesion argument of 10 Beaudy 12 RTS 13 Rieko
Isn't that the same argument for 10 Mo'unga, 12 Havili & 13 Goodhue/Ennor?
Yes, but with the minor differences of talent and impact.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life but can this translate to international level? I’m with you in a way but why do I keep coming back to Picamoles? Have to play with what we have. I like the Otago 8 and even PGS because of size and being I an AB environment would heighten their skills.
Dunno about an Otago 8, but maybe you mean the Hawke's Bay 8, who plays for the Highlanders, Marino Mikaele-Tu'u?
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Smith, Christie and Fakatava for the 3 halfbacks. All offer something different. The selection of TJP would mean Foster and co haven't learnt anything from 2021. You can't play the game at speed with him at halfback. He and Weber for the Māori.
I would probably have Weber ahead of Christie at moment, who has seemd a little indecisive at times, love his speed to breakdown etc, but I have thought a few times lately he got there and seemed a little unsure where he going etc. It could be that play has got changed or something but not something I keen on seeing, and I probably only noticed it being super critical in trying to seperat AB contenders.
Christie is behind a dominant pack. (the reason often used to not pick certain Cantabs in the past)
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@Stargazer Sound like a English’s teacher. What’s wrong with you???
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Sound like a English’s teacher. What’s wrong with you???
do you mean geography teacher?
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@Kiwiwomble either. It’s all Nick picky.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble either. It’s all Nick picky.
....do you mean "nit-picking"
im so sorry...that was a sitter
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Hopefully Sullivan's injury isn't too serious as he would be the closest to a like-for-like replacement for Ioane. If Rieko got injured they would need to be confident in his replacement, and I don't think Ennor is that player.
There is the opportunity to select a few fringe AB midfieIders in the Māori team to see how they go.
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@Kiwiwomble Lol. Just like a Womble
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I really like Sullivan, hope he gets a run this year, seems to have a good rugby brain too.
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@Chris-B I agree that Ennor will make the squad although his season has been underwhelming. This is more due to Foster making pathetic choices rather than form.
In my opinion, Foster's fascination with the Crusaders needs to stop, Nankivell,Tupaea, RTS/Reiko besides Goodhue are the in form midfield backs. If the Crusaders have one glaring weakness it is their midfield.
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@number9 do you think he's just trying to prove he's as good a coach as razor? "oh...you can get bridge to score tries?....by god so can i!"...."ennor plays on the regular for you?...he will for me too!"
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
To be honest, it won't surprise me if Ennor makes the squad. Personally, I'd pick Bailyn Sullivan over him, but we are very thin on specialist centres with ALB injured. Rieko and...???
Hopefully Sullivan's injury isn't too serious as he would be the closest to a like-for-like replacement for Ioane. If Rieko got injured they would need to be confident in his replacement, and I don't think Ennor is that player.
That's the big question - who is Fozzie going to trust?
I'd guess the Fern consensus (what there is of it) would probably pick Goodhue, Tupaea, RTS, Rieko and Sullivan.
But, that is very thin on experience - if Rieko does his hammy in Test 1!!!
Even though Dave Havili hasn't been playing particularly well, I suspect he's at least in the frame, because he's been there, so Fozzie's got some trust.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Even though Dave Havili hasn't been playing particularly well, I suspect he's at least in the frame, because he's been there, so Fozzie's got some trust
that's an extraordinary thing to read.
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@mariner4life In what way?
Dave was clearly Fozzie's man for 12 last year - he picked him a dozen times and ran him into the ground.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life In what way?
Dave was clearly Fozzie's man for 12 last year - he picked him a dozen times and ran him into the ground.
because he was poor last year at test level. Has been pretty average this year at Super level
But he'll get picked because he's been there before. It's this kind of shit that gets the punters offside.
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@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
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@mariner4life It's a tough job being the All Black coach - I guess that's why he gets the big bucks.
Fozzie could have picked Tupaea more last year, but he didn't. Makes you wonder why not.
Dave is far from a cast iron certainty, but they will spend a lot of time picking their midfield, because they have some big problems there - and his name will get mentioned a lot.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
Doesn't Razor select him at 12 as well? Must be as dumb as Fozzie.
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@broughie Compared to us - Fozzie's got to take the heat for any fuck-ups.
Even if he picks the Fern consensus team, if the ABs lose and a few newbies shit the bed - that's his incompetence, not ours - and we will roast him for it!
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@Crucial said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B probably what he is saying is that it is extraordinary that Foster still thinks he is a 12 when most of us don’t. I understand your rational for Fosters thinking but that highlights Fosters weakness as a coach for a position he never deserved.
Doesn't Razor select him at 12 as well? Must be as dumb as Fozzie.
I'm sure someone else has mentioned it, but that's the last position available in the Crusaders backline. He can't play at fullback as Jordan has a lock on that.
His feet into contact aren't as good as RTS'. His dynamism into contact isn't as good as Tupaea's or Goodhue's. He's not a dominant tackler. He's good at a lot of things and brilliant at Test level at none. His versatility might get him into the squad but he's not a compelling argument to start.
Fozzie will no doubt think differently because he has form for not taking selection risks.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie Compared to us - Fozzie's got to take the heat for any fuck-ups.
Even if he picks the Fern consensus team, if the ABs lose and a few newbies shit the bed - that's his incompetence, not ours - and we will roast him for it!
damn fucking right
you know what, a far more amount of slack would be given with a little more transparency around selection. If Foster communicated with some clarity, and people could see a plan, then there would be a heap more understanding.
I would love to know the selection strategy.
In my mind, you idntify how you want to play, pick the 23 players that will best carry out that plan, then pick the next 13 players that you can swap in to the top 23 with the least disruption (ie like for like)
I doubt that's that situation at the moment. So what is the fucking process? -
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B I didn’t really care if we lose as long as we are moving in the right direction. It’s not happening under Fozzy though.
To be fair, we haven't seen Fozzie's team this year yet - and me second-guessing what he's thinking is quite a bit different to what he's really thinking.
I think we're making some progress in the right direction. I'm of the opinion that we were probably running out of gas by the time we hit Ireland and France last year, so this series will be a good indicator of whether that's true - or if we've really fallen behind.
I hope we don't lose any more key players in the next couple of weeks.
@Chris-B True and Fozzie might land on his feet but he is still crap. Sorry but I have never appreciated his abilities. As mariner said he hoped we lose in a perverse way because it will be the final nail in Fozzies coffin.
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