Hurricanes vs Rebels
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
I would argue that the Canes have weakness in the locks and loosies. Good but not as good as the better teams.
Since Super rugby started it has been clear that a class 10 is required to win the comp. Neither Chiefs or Canes have an international level 10.Our locks & Loosies are not a weakness in the Canes... the problem there is having a coach changing the combos in those areas too much so we lose cohesion, if we selected the right locks & loosies we'd be bloody good in those positions.
Of course you need a good 10 to run the ship, it's not just about the 1st-five though, both playmakers 9 & 10 have to do the job well.
Point was that your expectations should be more realistic given the lack of a class 10. No one wins (or sits high in a RR table) in this comp without one. Look at the years of pain and frustration the Blues went through.
Locks are definitely a weakness. How many top level locks do the Canes have? How many are demanding being looked at for higher honours? SFA.This rubbish of 'if it wasn't for the coach we would be higher up the table is just that. Maybe your coach is rubbish but he also has your team pretty much in the spot that they should be by relative strength excepting a poor performance against MP.
Yeah, we're in the position of having the young fella morgan at 10, to say we should drop our expectations because of it is ridiculous, very impressed with the composure he's showing & he has a very experienced 9 playing inside him, not as though we have two young playmakers at 9 & 10.
BB is a very experience 10, but has shown many a time how aimlessly he kicks in general play & has given away a fair few brainless intercept tries because he didn't bother to have a quick look first.Our locks are certainly not a weakness if the right combo are selected... Scrafton & Walker-Leawere are bloody good locks, but our clown of a coach doesn't want to play them together much at all.
Disagree, we could've clearly made the top 4 & that's taking that shocker against MP out of the equation - with our coach not playing our best combo's together enough & playing players out of position it has clearly effected performances... rugby probably more than any other team sport really relies on settled combos to play bloody well as a team.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@KiwiMurph very true, it's made easier for the Canes as I feel Morgan is the more natural 10 out of the two, whereas Love seems to be more suited to fullback anyway so to me the choice is fairly obvious.
It's just such a crucial decision to get right. i.e. when the Canes had Cruden and Barrett, they ended up choosing Barrett and then Cruden went on to get 2 titles with the Chiefs, versus Barrett getting 1 with the Canes. I'm not saying we are going to lose Love but making that tough selection early on is important for the stability of the team moving forward.
They didn't chose Barrett over Crudent. Cruden chose the Chiefs over the Canes because they parachuted in a Cantab as coach to destabilise the team, which worked, and he had a good working relationship with the Chiefs coach.
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@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
I would argue that the Canes have weakness in the locks and loosies. Good but not as good as the better teams.
Since Super rugby started it has been clear that a class 10 is required to win the comp. Neither Chiefs or Canes have an international level 10.Our locks & Loosies are not a weakness in the Canes... the problem there is having a coach changing the combos in those areas too much so we lose cohesion, if we selected the right locks & loosies we'd be bloody good in those positions.
Of course you need a good 10 to run the ship, it's not just about the 1st-five though, both playmakers 9 & 10 have to do the job well.
Point was that your expectations should be more realistic given the lack of a class 10. No one wins (or sits high in a RR table) in this comp without one. Look at the years of pain and frustration the Blues went through.
Locks are definitely a weakness. How many top level locks do the Canes have? How many are demanding being looked at for higher honours? SFA.This rubbish of 'if it wasn't for the coach we would be higher up the table is just that. Maybe your coach is rubbish but he also has your team pretty much in the spot that they should be by relative strength excepting a poor performance against MP.
Yeah, we're in the position of having the young fella morgan at 10, to say we should drop our expectations because of it is ridiculous, very impressed with the composure he's showing & he has a very experienced 9 playing inside him, not as though we have two young playmakers at 9 & 10.
BB is a very experience 10, but has shown many a time how aimlessly he kicks in general play & has given away a fair few brainless intercept tries because he didn't bother to have a quick look first.Our locks are certainly not a weakness if the right combo are selected... Scrafton & Walker-Leawere are bloody good locks, but our clown of a coach doesn't want to play them together much at all.
Disagree, we could've clearly made the top 4 & that's taking that shocker against MP out of the equation - with our coach not playing our best combo's together enough & playing players out of position it has clearly effected performances... rugby probably more than any other team sport really relies on settled combos to play bloody well as a team.
You maybe facing a bit of a exodus next season, by the looks with
Scrafton and Goosen off to the NH and the rumour PUJ is off to another franchise. -
@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
I would argue that the Canes have weakness in the locks and loosies. Good but not as good as the better teams.
Since Super rugby started it has been clear that a class 10 is required to win the comp. Neither Chiefs or Canes have an international level 10.Our locks & Loosies are not a weakness in the Canes... the problem there is having a coach changing the combos in those areas too much so we lose cohesion, if we selected the right locks & loosies we'd be bloody good in those positions.
Of course you need a good 10 to run the ship, it's not just about the 1st-five though, both playmakers 9 & 10 have to do the job well.
Point was that your expectations should be more realistic given the lack of a class 10. No one wins (or sits high in a RR table) in this comp without one. Look at the years of pain and frustration the Blues went through.
Locks are definitely a weakness. How many top level locks do the Canes have? How many are demanding being looked at for higher honours? SFA.This rubbish of 'if it wasn't for the coach we would be higher up the table is just that. Maybe your coach is rubbish but he also has your team pretty much in the spot that they should be by relative strength excepting a poor performance against MP.
Yeah, we're in the position of having the young fella morgan at 10, to say we should drop our expectations because of it is ridiculous, very impressed with the composure he's showing & he has a very experienced 9 playing inside him, not as though we have two young playmakers at 9 & 10.
BB is a very experience 10, but has shown many a time how aimlessly he kicks in general play & has given away a fair few brainless intercept tries because he didn't bother to have a quick look first.Our locks are certainly not a weakness if the right combo are selected... Scrafton & Walker-Leawere are bloody good locks, but our clown of a coach doesn't want to play them together much at all.
Disagree, we could've clearly made the top 4 & that's taking that shocker against MP out of the equation - with our coach not playing our best combo's together enough & playing players out of position it has clearly effected performances... rugby probably more than any other team sport really relies on settled combos to play bloody well as a team.
You maybe facing a bit of a exodus next season, by the looks with
Scrafton and Goosen off to the NH and the rumour PUJ is off to another franchise.I heard Goosen was going, top winger... the other two would be a big losses too.
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@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
Scrafton & Walker-Leawere
Yeah right! Scrafton & Walker-Leawere are international class locks and young Morgan is an equivalent of BB, RM, Loloseo.....
You kind of keep missing the point. Canes are lacking top level class in areas, that over a long season, end up costing table points.
Chiefs are the same. We have 'bubbling under' 10s, need another class loosie and have no back three to speak of. I'm very happy that we ended up where we did on the table but it has been a very shaky ride. -
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Chris said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
I would argue that the Canes have weakness in the locks and loosies. Good but not as good as the better teams.
Since Super rugby started it has been clear that a class 10 is required to win the comp. Neither Chiefs or Canes have an international level 10.Our locks & Loosies are not a weakness in the Canes... the problem there is having a coach changing the combos in those areas too much so we lose cohesion, if we selected the right locks & loosies we'd be bloody good in those positions.
Of course you need a good 10 to run the ship, it's not just about the 1st-five though, both playmakers 9 & 10 have to do the job well.
Point was that your expectations should be more realistic given the lack of a class 10. No one wins (or sits high in a RR table) in this comp without one. Look at the years of pain and frustration the Blues went through.
Locks are definitely a weakness. How many top level locks do the Canes have? How many are demanding being looked at for higher honours? SFA.This rubbish of 'if it wasn't for the coach we would be higher up the table is just that. Maybe your coach is rubbish but he also has your team pretty much in the spot that they should be by relative strength excepting a poor performance against MP.
Yeah, we're in the position of having the young fella morgan at 10, to say we should drop our expectations because of it is ridiculous, very impressed with the composure he's showing & he has a very experienced 9 playing inside him, not as though we have two young playmakers at 9 & 10.
BB is a very experience 10, but has shown many a time how aimlessly he kicks in general play & has given away a fair few brainless intercept tries because he didn't bother to have a quick look first.Our locks are certainly not a weakness if the right combo are selected... Scrafton & Walker-Leawere are bloody good locks, but our clown of a coach doesn't want to play them together much at all.
Disagree, we could've clearly made the top 4 & that's taking that shocker against MP out of the equation - with our coach not playing our best combo's together enough & playing players out of position it has clearly effected performances... rugby probably more than any other team sport really relies on settled combos to play bloody well as a team.
You maybe facing a bit of a exodus next season, by the looks with
Scrafton and Goosen off to the NH and the rumour PUJ is off to another franchise.I heard Goosen was going, top winger... the other two would be a big losses too.
Scranton is off to Benetton.
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@Nepia said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@KiwiMurph very true, it's made easier for the Canes as I feel Morgan is the more natural 10 out of the two, whereas Love seems to be more suited to fullback anyway so to me the choice is fairly obvious.
It's just such a crucial decision to get right. i.e. when the Canes had Cruden and Barrett, they ended up choosing Barrett and then Cruden went on to get 2 titles with the Chiefs, versus Barrett getting 1 with the Canes. I'm not saying we are going to lose Love but making that tough selection early on is important for the stability of the team moving forward.
They didn't chose Barrett over Crudent. Cruden chose the Chiefs over the Canes because they parachuted in a Cantab as coach to destabilise the team, which worked, and he had a good working relationship with the Chiefs coach.
Cruden actually left because Rennie was a bit of mentor which sealed the deal.
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
Scrafton & Walker-Leawere
Yeah right! Scrafton & Walker-Leawere are international class locks and young Morgan is an equivalent of BB, RM, Loloseo.....
You kind of keep missing the point. Canes are lacking top level class in areas, that over a long season, end up costing table points.
Chiefs are the same. We have 'bubbling under' 10s, need another class loosie and have no back three to speak of. I'm very happy that we ended up where we did on the table but it has been a very shaky ride.Again, I disagree - we have players in the team with good skill sets in all positions, the point is that fool Holland hasn't got a clue when it comes to selecting our best 15.
Naturally when it comes to winning a comp depth off the bench is a huge factor, which is one of the main reasons the Crusaders have won a ton of titles... Canes forward depth off the bench looks pretty good, certainly much better than other years when it comes to props. -
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
@NZbloke said in Hurricanes vs Rebels:
Scrafton & Walker-Leawere
Yeah right! Scrafton & Walker-Leawere are international class locks and young Morgan is an equivalent of BB, RM, Loloseo.....
You kind of keep missing the point. Canes are lacking top level class in areas, that over a long season, end up costing table points.
Chiefs are the same. We have 'bubbling under' 10s, need another class loosie and have no back three to speak of. I'm very happy that we ended up where we did on the table but it has been a very shaky ride.Again, I disagree - we have players in the team with good skill sets in all positions....
I'm not saying you don't have adequate players. They just aren't the international class ones that some other teams have.
But if you want to continually blame the coach when you have no idea at all what goes on behind the scenes or see combinations in training, in a comp that demands full use of a squad (and beyond this year) without acknowledging that quality of the cattle then carry on with your head in the sand.
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How annoyed must the Canes be about having to set a scrum with 2 mins left?
Had the ball and momentum. Injury stoppage meant time ticked along as scrum was set and reset, and then got hit with a penalty. Don’t begrudge stopping as that Force player looked stuffed. A real sliding doors moment for the game and season.