All Blacks 2022
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
just sort of an in general comment
the last time i remember us looking at a team reshape before a world cup was in 2010, the season after the very shit 2009.
The selectors changed almost half the squad, 13 changes to a 30 man squad. Only one would i consider to be a given, and that was Carter coming back.
Of the 13 i think 8 went on to make the World Cup squad.
lots of 2007 RWC team members out. Guys like Dagg, Cruden, Kahui, Vito, Boric brought inSo a big set of changes at this exact point is not without precedent.
Can you see a lot of changes in personnel though?
I'm not convinced there's a large pool of untried players on the verge of selection.
Couple of props, maybe a barely eligible halfback and RTS.
Edit: and 3rd 10 in Perofeta
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@Dan54 tbf he has had injury issues, I mean he seems like he has been about for years but played less than 20 tests.
He is the kind of player teams need, but he isn't that mythical x-factor player people always want either.
I hope he gets a chance again, but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't, so many options have emerged following his injury last year and he is slowly easing back to super rugby.
With my Northland hat on, stoked if he doesn't get picked in black.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Yep, that's what has been suggested in the "Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?" thread and the article on the Fern's homepage.
By who?
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Whoosh
Poached
Riiight
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@Crucial Yep, that's what has been suggested in the "Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?" thread and the article on the Fern's homepage.
By who?
@FakatavaFuture said in Māori All Blacks to play Ireland?:
would be keen to see TJP in this squad and maybe even being Captain!
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2022:
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
@pakman RTS might be a bit inexperienced for that job. Maybe on the EOYT.
Not a fan of Goodhue being shifted to 12, but his defence might be better there?
Yes, BUT we need to try some things now and then settle on combo for last ten games to RWC.
Goodhue is in my 23, but I prefer him at 13.
Backs: Nugget/BB/RTS/Rieko/Clarke/WJ/Jordie. Bench: FC(Fakatava)/Richie[Edit]/JackG.
How many games of Union has RTS played now?
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If Jordan were to play 15 , who are most picking to play 14 ?
I’m tipping the back 3 will be Clarke , Jordie , Jordan with tupaea starting at 12 atm .
Not saying that’s the right way , more so how I predict they will go.
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@kiwiinmelb Reece at 14.
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I think most of them are picking Reece? He is playing well.
I think you're right though, that back three is the most likely. Jordie was probably the best AB last year and he played at fullback (he even topped the super scientific TSF aggregate of MOTM polls)
I think they'll be reluctant to move or demote Jordie
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
I think most of them are picking Reece? He is playing well.
I think you're right though, that back three is the most likely. Jordie was probably the best AB last year and played at fullback (he even topped the super scientific TSF aggregate of MOTM polls)
I think they'll be reluctant to move or demote Jordie
End of the day, I think how well our pack goes will determine how well we go overall more so than who wears what number in the backline IMO
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@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
I dont believe we are short of talent , particularly in the backs
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwiinmelb and TBF, I dont think we are a million miles away from where we need to be, and maybe the involvement if Schmidt will see the tweaks needed to get us back to where we need to be with our current crop...cos you gotta say alot underperformed to what we know and expected.
I dont believe we are short of talent , particularly in the backs
Yeah it is the fact our forwards are dominated and don't have the skills (or can't employ them) of the best teams now, and our game plan/structure hasn't really changed since 2016
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@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
or can't employ them
I think that is more the issue...there were periods when our forwards have done well, then reverted to this passive style...so IMO it is more game plan or execution than skills or ability.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
or can't employ them
I think that is more the issue...there were periods when our forwards have done well, then reverted to this passive style...so IMO it is more game plan or execution than skills or ability.
Coached tactics issue, I've written the ABs off until post this RWC. A Foster doesn't change it's spots, he might talk about doing so (and has, before and after selction) but the Hansen style is still there
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I think that the approach is fair enough (ducks) in that you don't be the best by doing things the same way as everyone else and you must also play the way that comes naturally to make the most of instinctive brilliance.
What hasn't been shown is an indication that the current tactical approach will work. You still have to stop the opposition playing to their strengths as well. Currently we are almost encouraging other teams to play the way they want which means that if they have an 'on song' day with few mistakes it makes life very tough for us.
We know that NZ teams are the best (and thrive off) turnover ball. You dont get much turnover ball with rush defence. You just get endless phases and tackling until you get a scrum or the ball is kicked and the process starts over again.
What that means though is that teams that play that way are very well drilled in endless recycling then kicking and if you let them get a roll on moving forward they can eat metres and you are more likely to give away a penalty for offside or for desperately attacking the ball at a breakdown.
So it's a hard balance to find. You want turnover opportunities but the risk/reward in trying to isolate a ball carrier is high.
I don't want us to play like England/Ireland/France/SA which is stalemate rugby in a sense, waiting for a chance to pull the trigger. However trying to create those chances is also fraught with danger.
If I got to set a 'way of playing' with our resources and instincts I would probably look back to move forward and look to disrupt these very robotic defensive systems with slick plays, angled running from backs and forwards, direction switches (god I hate it when we continually hammer one side) etc. Basically smart rugby that forces defenses to make decisions
When on defence we need to set traps rather than just be passive. Mix things up.Now where do I collect my big salary?
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@Crucial I don't think you've watched France enough recently, they are by far the most innvative and attacking team out there. And rather than waiting for opposition mistakes, they actually create attacking opportunites
ZOMFG that's possible? Yes it is, so Galthie has your salary already, because what you suggest is play like France
Also Ireland are not the robots of old, even England are trying to play unstructured rugby
Boks, nah dull as shit
