B B McCullum: England Test Coach
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McCullum is very well respected up here, but I'm not sure it's a great fit for a couple of reasons.
- There is nothing wrong with their short form game. They're ODI / T20 teams are in the very upper echelon
- The test team needs a lot of work, but a lot of it is mental fortitude. They went to Australia expecting to lose and subsequently ... got thumped.
They have the cattle to be decent at tests, perhaps not world beating, right now. But they do under perform. Thus, the coach's first task is to get them playing to their ability and getting their ability level results.
Not sure McCullum is the right bloke for that.
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@MajorRage he helped change the mindset of the BCs, and built the foundation of a successful culture that still exists in the current team. Could he not do that with England?
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@MajorRage said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
McCullum is very well respected up here, but I'm not sure it's a great fit for a couple of reasons.
- There is nothing wrong with their short form game. They're ODI / T20 teams are in the very upper echelon
- The test team needs a lot of work, but a lot of it is mental fortitude. They went to Australia expecting to lose and subsequently ... got thumped.
They have the cattle to be decent at tests, perhaps not world beating, right now. But they do under perform. Thus, the coach's first task is to get them playing to their ability and getting their ability level results.
Not sure McCullum is the right bloke for that.
Do they though? Their top order has looked as brittle as China lately. From what I’ve seen they have a modern day great batsman, a good all rounder and a couple of bowlers due for the pension any day now. The rest are ordinary.
They should send an SOS to Alastair Cook who is still plundering the runs at county level.
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@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MajorRage he helped change the mindset of the BCs, and built the foundation of a successful culture that still exists in the current team. Could he not do that with England?
He did that as captain, with a team willing to follow, a coach that bought into it and administrators who aligned. That may line up again here, but it's not a lock, particularly with short form coaches and the politics of the ECB
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@nzzp true, but it is demonstrated leadership which changed the culture and as B-Mac would do, its worth a punt in my eyes! Admittedly he has to align a few more stakeholders, but I don't think its as big a stretch of his ability as some are making out. I definitely acknowledge though that if they were in need of someone with more technical skills then I would look elsewhere
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@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
Yeah I reckon he'll have a positive impact on the side, but it does show how desperate England have gotten! The main reason this is an OK idea is that it just surely can't get any worse lol
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@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
My skepticism has more to do with the fact I reckon the BCs are starting to decline after the recent glory years.
It’s alleviated somewhat by remembering how shite England are though
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@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
My skepticism has more to do with the fact I reckon the BCs are starting to decline after the recent glory years.
It’s alleviated somewhat by remembering how shite England are though
Replacing Rosco and later Timmy and Boult will be tough. And with Kane suspect injury wise we may be set for choppy waters. Having Conway back is great, and hopefully Kylo can dine out in English conditions after a down sophomore year
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@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
My skepticism has more to do with the fact I reckon the BCs are starting to decline after the recent glory years.
It’s alleviated somewhat by remembering how shite England are though
Replacing Rosco and later Timmy and Boult will be tough. And with Kane suspect injury wise we may be set for choppy waters. Having Conway back is great, and hopefully Kylo can dine out in English conditions after a down sophomore year
We miss BJ too.
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@MajorRage said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
McCullum is very well respected up here, but I'm not sure it's a great fit for a couple of reasons.
- There is nothing wrong with their short form game. They're ODI / T20 teams are in the very upper echelon
- The test team needs a lot of work, but a lot of it is mental fortitude. They went to Australia expecting to lose and subsequently ... got thumped.
They have the cattle to be decent at tests, perhaps not world beating, right now. But they do under perform. Thus, the coach's first task is to get them playing to their ability and getting their ability level results.
Not sure McCullum is the right bloke for that.
Actually I would have thought McCullum is exactly the right bloke.
As captain he turned our fortunes around by getting everyone to play at their absolute potential (in combination with the coach as well).
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@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
My skepticism has more to do with the fact I reckon the BCs are starting to decline after the recent glory years.
It’s alleviated somewhat by remembering how shite England are though
Replacing Rosco and later Timmy and Boult will be tough. And with Kane suspect injury wise we may be set for choppy waters. Having Conway back is great, and hopefully Kylo can dine out in English conditions after a down sophomore year
We miss BJ too.
Thanks for reminding me. He was critical to our success, King of the rearguard action
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@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
My skepticism has more to do with the fact I reckon the BCs are starting to decline after the recent glory years.
It’s alleviated somewhat by remembering how shite England are though
Replacing Rosco and later Timmy and Boult will be tough. And with Kane suspect injury wise we may be set for choppy waters. Having Conway back is great, and hopefully Kylo can dine out in English conditions after a down sophomore year
We miss BJ too.
Thanks for reminding me. He was critical to our success, King of the rearguard action
…..and unfortunately Blundell hasn’t quite replaced him.
We were lucky having BMac and Watling, a third guy of that class in a row might be too much of an ask.
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@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
My skepticism has more to do with the fact I reckon the BCs are starting to decline after the recent glory years.
It’s alleviated somewhat by remembering how shite England are though
Replacing Rosco and later Timmy and Boult will be tough. And with Kane suspect injury wise we may be set for choppy waters. Having Conway back is great, and hopefully Kylo can dine out in English conditions after a down sophomore year
We miss BJ too.
Thanks for reminding me. He was critical to our success, King of the rearguard action
…..and unfortunately Blundell hasn’t quite replaced him.
We were lucky having BMac and Watling, a third guy of that class in a row might be too much of an ask.
I was so hopeful. Blundell showed admirable toughness on that disastrous Aussie tour. But he seems decidedly flaky when compared to BJ
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@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@canefan said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@MN5 said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
@Donsteppa said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Whatever the ins and outs of the decision, my initial reaction was to be more worried about the June Test Series results than I was before...
My skepticism has more to do with the fact I reckon the BCs are starting to decline after the recent glory years.
It’s alleviated somewhat by remembering how shite England are though
Replacing Rosco and later Timmy and Boult will be tough. And with Kane suspect injury wise we may be set for choppy waters. Having Conway back is great, and hopefully Kylo can dine out in English conditions after a down sophomore year
We miss BJ too.
Thanks for reminding me. He was critical to our success, King of the rearguard action
…..and unfortunately Blundell hasn’t quite replaced him.
We were lucky having BMac and Watling, a third guy of that class in a row might be too much of an ask.
I was so hopeful. Blundell showed admirable toughness on that disastrous Aussie tour. But he seems decidedly flaky when compared to BJ
There’s still time for him to come right ( said MN5 clutching at straws )
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The Senior Coaches role is not necessarily about coaching the skills, they have specialist batting, bowling and fielding coaches for that. Baz will bring a lot of positivity to the set up and the correct team culture and the analytical and match plan knowledge that England currently lack at Test level anyway
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@Nevorian said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
The Senior Coaches role is not necessarily about coaching the skills, they have specialist batting, bowling and fielding coaches for that. Baz will bring a lot of positivity to the set up and the correct team culture and the analytical and match plan knowledge that England currently lack at Test level anyway
Yeah, a coaches job is basically about man management/motivation skills, tactics etc... going to be a bit strange playing against the poms with McCullum as their coach, also another NZer as their captain.
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Mark Reason has stuck his oar in.
I suspect 10 years ago I might have agreed with him. These days I have made my peace with coaches going overseas and coaching against NZ teams.
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@Damo said in B B McCullum: England Test Coach:
Mark Reason has stuck his oar in.
I suspect 10 years ago I might have agreed with him. These days I have made my peace with coaches going overseas and coaching against NZ teams.
The man is an utter troll shock journo
