Boxing Thread
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@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Hes virtually George Foreman reincarnated. Massive volume puncher with a huge engine despite being very slow letting his hands go.
Parker must work the body imo, similar to what he did against Chisora, throw the uppercut to slow Joyce in his tracks. Joyce has an iron chin and will keep marching forward, but can be hurt to the body as Bryant Jennings showed which he struggled to recover from when the fought.
A real 50/50 this one but I feel Parker can win this one as much as I rate Joyce.
If that’s the case then Parker is no chance, let’s be honest.
Hopefully there’s a bit of hype in that highlighted statement.
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I hadn’t seen Joyce fight until just watching some clips. Man he has slow hands but I guess they carry some weight. Not a classical boxer by any stretch. His go to is swinging big alternate hooks, twisting at the waist. Usyk was fast enough to avoid them but most others get caught trying to get inside to neutralise.
Parker’s camp was chasing this so I guess they have seen a way to beat him. I wonder if JPs increased use of the uppercut is part of that plan? Joyce certainly leaves his chin open for it when throwing. -
@Crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I hadn’t seen Joyce fight until just watching some clips. Man he has slow hands but I guess they carry some weight. Not a classical boxer by any stretch. His go to is swinging big alternate hooks, twisting at the waist. Usyk was fast enough to avoid them but most others get caught trying to get inside to neutralise.
Parker’s camp was chasing this so I guess they have seen a way to beat him. I wonder if JPs increased use of the uppercut is part of that plan? Joyce certainly leaves his chin open for it when throwing.Yeah there are different kinds of “hard” punchers. The fast snappy Tyson, Frazier, Shavers types and the slower Foreman types.
Pretty certain the former are like being hit by a fast Ferrari and the latter a bigger, slower truck. Both will fuck you up but in different ways.
Just had a look at some footage and the Foreman comparisons are very apt, have a look at the knockout at 32 seconds in !
Joyce looks deceptively ponderous but that power is VERY evident.
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@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I hadn’t seen Joyce fight until just watching some clips. Man he has slow hands but I guess they carry some weight. Not a classical boxer by any stretch. His go to is swinging big alternate hooks, twisting at the waist. Usyk was fast enough to avoid them but most others get caught trying to get inside to neutralise.
Parker’s camp was chasing this so I guess they have seen a way to beat him. I wonder if JPs increased use of the uppercut is part of that plan? Joyce certainly leaves his chin open for it when throwing.Yeah there are different kinds of “hard” punchers. The fast snappy Tyson, Frazier, Shavers types and the slower Foreman types.
Pretty certain the former are like being hit by a fast Ferrari and the latter a bigger, slower truck. Both will fuck you up but in different ways.
Just had a look at some footage and the Foreman comparisons are very apt, have a look at the knockout at 32 seconds in !
Joyce looks deceptively ponderous but that power is VERY evident.
What makes Joyce difficult is not just the power ,
Like foreman he just keeps on walking forward and the punches keep coming at you , there is no break .
But it’s not all doom and gloom , he is there there to be hit as well
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@African-Monkey , what do you think of Bivol ? Going to test canelo at 175 ?
I have to be honest , while I’ve seen his name around , never sat down and watched him , but the 175 surely will test canelo particularly if he attempts to unify there with the bieterbiev fight .
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@kiwiinmelb Good technical boxer with a decent Jab and does the fundamentals well, but has a tendency to fight at one pace and isn't one of the big hitters of the division, hence why I think Canelo has chosen him to fight. Can't say I'm a huge fan of his as he struggles to go through the gears.
Having said that, he is still up there with the top of the division and on a fair playing field, I'd back him to beat Canelo, but let's be honest here, everything is stacked in Canelo's favor, we know how boxing politics run the game haha.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@MN5 said in Boxing Thread:
@Crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I hadn’t seen Joyce fight until just watching some clips. Man he has slow hands but I guess they carry some weight. Not a classical boxer by any stretch. His go to is swinging big alternate hooks, twisting at the waist. Usyk was fast enough to avoid them but most others get caught trying to get inside to neutralise.
Parker’s camp was chasing this so I guess they have seen a way to beat him. I wonder if JPs increased use of the uppercut is part of that plan? Joyce certainly leaves his chin open for it when throwing.Yeah there are different kinds of “hard” punchers. The fast snappy Tyson, Frazier, Shavers types and the slower Foreman types.
Pretty certain the former are like being hit by a fast Ferrari and the latter a bigger, slower truck. Both will fuck you up but in different ways.
Just had a look at some footage and the Foreman comparisons are very apt, have a look at the knockout at 32 seconds in !
Joyce looks deceptively ponderous but that power is VERY evident.
What makes Joyce difficult is not just the power ,
Like foreman he just keeps on walking forward and the punches keep coming at you , there is no break .
But it’s not all doom and gloom , he is there there to be hit as well
Yeah Parker takes breaks during rounds which could be suicide v Juggernaut- he must keep moving at all times and def not sit on the ropes- JJ will not stop hitting- unlike a Chisora type opponent who can throw 3-4 punches then lean and clinch.. Its a tough fight for JP but hopefully a interrim belt WBO or (maybe too soon) a retired Fury WBC belt on the line
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@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Good technical boxer with a decent Jab and does the fundamentals well, but has a tendency to fight at one pace and isn't one of the big hitters of the division, hence why I think Canelo has chosen him to fight. Can't say I'm a huge fan of his as he struggles to go through the gears.
Having said that, he is still up there with the top of the division and on a fair playing field, I'd back him to beat Canelo, but let's be honest here, everything is stacked in Canelo's favor, we know how boxing politics run the game haha.
Watched a bit of him , he looks a little bit basic , likes the 1-2 , 1-2 , but he is a big man ( 175 is big for canelo )
Reading between the lines I think I have a higher opinion of canelo than you do , but that’s ok
I’m tipping a late canelo stoppage
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@kiwiinmelb Oh don't get me wrong, the guy is quality, the left hook to the body and when he fakes it to go up top is a thing of beauty, but not gonna lie he does have the cards stacked in his favour all the time haha.
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@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Oh don't get me wrong, the guy is quality, the left hook to the body and when he fakes it to go up top is a thing of beauty, but not gonna lie he does have the cards stacked in his favour all the time haha.
When you are the a side you are the a side , Floyd was the same . One thing he does better than Floyd is he stays so active
I love watching him fight , but even as a fan I wasn’t happy with the ggg 1 debacle , luckily we haven’t had any controversy like that for a while
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Well boxed bivol , so glad we didn’t get a dodgy result
Canelo , well I think has reached his limit , 175 is too much , bit off more than he can chew
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@kiwiinmelb Yeah cards a lot closer than they should have been ( had it 118-110), but glad the right man won, and yes, Canelo is waaaay too small for 175.
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@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Yeah cards a lot closer than they should have been ( had it 118-110), but glad the right man won, and yes, Canelo is waaaay too small for 175.
He has developed into a very very good walk ‘‘em down pressure fighter ,
But there will be a limit to who that is going to work on , I think he found his limit today .he is too small for that style of fighter at 175
I would be sticking to 168 if I was his team , it’s difficult right now to see what might be gained from a rematch.
bivol was great , better than I expected , be interesting to see how the unification in that division goes now .
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@kiwiinmelb Yeah but to be fair to Canelo, he conquered a very weak 168 division despite avoiding David Benavidez, so 175 was his only option really, unless he went back down to fight GGG again.
For Bivol, it sets things up nicely for him to fight the winner of Joe Smith v Arthur Beterbiev to unify all belts at 175. Beterbiev i would expect to knock Smith out (the guy is a beast) which hopefully sets Bivol to face Beterbiev some time next year.
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@African-Monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Yeah but to be fair to Canelo, he conquered a very weak 168 division despite avoiding David Benavidez, so 175 was his only option really, unless he went back down to fight GGG again.
For Bivol, it sets things up nicely for him to fight the winner of Joe Smith v Arthur Beterbiev to unify all belts at 175. Beterbiev i would expect to knock Smith out (the guy is a beast) which hopefully sets Bivol to face Beterbiev some time next year.
Yeah it wasn’t the strongest but I guess beating them all in a 11 month window after coming up from 160 was still an achievement.
I think ggg , benevediz, charlo , booboo, will still be fights worth watching . Those guys with plant should all be fighting each other as well instead of waiting for a canelo payday which is another story .
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@kiwiinmelb Ifonly boxing was that simple haha.
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No charges for Mike
I'll now wait for the civil suit
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So Gallen lost and some media commentators seem surprised that the crowd recognised what's never been in doubt with Gallen, his toughness.
