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Xi is in a big-time pinch.
China’s Campaign to Wipe Out Covid Is Crushing Its Economy
Juicing growth is again the government’s top priority as lockdowns drag on and the Party Congress looms this fall.
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“The Stanford professor and Great Barrington Declaration coauthor stands up to COVID-19 autocrats and disastrous lockdowns by following the science.
----------------- ”Lengthy sit-down interview with Reason editor Nick Gillespie.
Video is cued to 49-min mark where Gillespie asks Bhattacharya why he’s pro-vaccine but against Covid vaxx and lockdown mandates.
He mentions here that vaccines are 20% effective after three months. I knew they were weak, but did not know it was so awful and pathetic.
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Regarding the vaccine efficacy, he mentioned somewhere about 20% effective in preventing infection but did not mention the effectiveness of preventing any infection becoming serious enough to hospitalise or cause death. Given that the early vaccines were anywhere between about 60% and 85% effective at the former but about 99% effective against the latter, you’d think that to be fair, balanced and actually informative he might have distinguished this a bit more. Moreover, his whole argument about natural immunity being just as effective as the vaccine does not address several issues. Firstly in that in getting that natural immunity you are risking death or serious illness. Secondly in obtaining this holy grail you are highly infectious yourself and will most likely spread the virus further, risking the aforementioned death and serious illness to others. Thirdly you cannot choose when to get the virus, nor necessarily be able to prove it.
As so often with these people, they cherry pick the absolute best case scenario to try and prove their point whilst rubbishing the alternative by cherry picking the very worst case scenario.
Stereotypical anti vaxx procedure - despite of course him not being anti vaxx. 🙄
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Regarding the vaccine efficacy, he mentioned somewhere about 20% effective in preventing infection but did not mention the effectiveness of preventing any infection becoming serious enough to hospitalise or cause death. Given that the early vaccines were anywhere between about 60% and 85% effective at the former but about 99% effective against the latter, you’d think that to be fair, balanced and actually informative he might have distinguished this a bit more. Moreover, his whole argument about natural immunity being just as effective as the vaccine does not address several issues. Firstly in that in getting that natural immunity you are risking death or serious illness. Secondly in obtaining this holy grail you are highly infectious yourself and will most likely spread the virus further, risking the aforementioned death and serious illness to others. Thirdly you cannot choose when to get the virus, nor necessarily be able to prove it.
As so often with these people, they cherry pick the absolute best case scenario to try and prove their point whilst rubbishing the alternative by cherry picking the very worst case scenario.
Stereotypical anti vaxx procedure - despite of course him not being anti vaxx. 🙄
No one is anti-vax. Just pro choice.... 😉
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Regarding the vaccine efficacy, he mentioned somewhere about 20% effective in preventing infection but did not mention the effectiveness of preventing any infection becoming serious enough to hospitalise or cause death. Given that the early vaccines were anywhere between about 60% and 85% effective at the former but about 99% effective against the latter, you’d think that to be fair, balanced and actually informative he might have distinguished this a bit more. Moreover, his whole argument about natural immunity being just as effective as the vaccine does not address several issues. Firstly in that in getting that natural immunity you are risking death or serious illness. Secondly in obtaining this holy grail you are highly infectious yourself and will most likely spread the virus further, risking the aforementioned death and serious illness to others. Thirdly you cannot choose when to get the virus, nor necessarily be able to prove it.
As so often with these people, they cherry pick the absolute best case scenario to try and prove their point whilst rubbishing the alternative by cherry picking the very worst case scenario.
Stereotypical anti vaxx procedure - despite of course him not being anti vaxx. 🙄
That's an excellent summary.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Regarding the vaccine efficacy, he mentioned somewhere about 20% effective in preventing infection but did not mention the effectiveness of preventing any infection becoming serious enough to hospitalise or cause death. Given that the early vaccines were anywhere between about 60% and 85% effective at the former but about 99% effective against the latter, you’d think that to be fair, balanced and actually informative he might have distinguished this a bit more.
In the video he talks about how effective the vaccines were at preventing serious infections. It's central to his position.
He praises the covid vaccines at several points. His controversial position is that he is against a mandate. He actually is for mandating other vaccines (so it's not idealogical) but he thinks the correct public health policy for this particular vaccine would have been a targeted program
The bulk of the video is not about vaccines (it's more about cost/benefit analysis of lockdowns etc)
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one is anti-vax. Just pro choice.... 😉
Precisely. I’ve had three shots, now being recommended by my physician to get a 4th, 5th, 6th and coming soon 7th shot, and I’ve made my choice and politely told him nope, I’m done. Spare mine and gift it to somebody wearing a mask.
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@Kid-Chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No one is anti-vax. Just pro choice.... 😉
Precisely. I’ve had three shots, now being recommended by my physician to get a 4th, 5th, 6th and coming soon 7th shot, and I’ve made my choice and politely told him nope, I’m done. Spare mine and gift it to somebody wearing a mask.
I always find it best to ignore doctors when they give health advice, I mean what would they know?
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Kirwan when you need pills doctors are good.
For overall health there are better options
I believe that people need to take responsibility for their own health, as it's better to prevent poor health than to treat it.
But to ignore expert advice, particularly about "pills" or vaccines puts you into the same category of people that wear crystals IMO.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Kirwan when you need pills doctors are good.
For overall health there are better options
I believe that people need to take responsibility for their own health, as it's better to prevent poor health than to treat it.
But to ignore expert advice, particularly about "pills" or vaccines puts you into the same category of people that wear crystals IMO.
Not sure I'd call GPs experts. And the medical profession is the second or third highest cause of death in Australia...
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Moreover, his whole argument about natural immunity being just as effective as the vaccine does not address several issues. Firstly in that in getting that natural immunity you are risking death or serious illness.
Trying to figure how to unpack this statement. You would think that a cursory knowledge of the stats, who has died and why would show you that this statement is false. If you are healthy there is a minuscule chance of serious consequences or death by contracting this virus. Natural immunity real believe it or not.
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Moreover, his whole argument about natural immunity being just as effective as the vaccine does not address several issues. Firstly in that in getting that natural immunity you are risking death or serious illness.
Trying to figure how to unpack this statement. You would think that a cursory knowledge of the stats, who has died and why would show you that this statement is false. If you are healthy there is a minuscule chance of serious consequences or death by contracting this virus. Natural immunity real believe it or not.
I’m not denying that acquired natural immunity is real, just that relying on that has potential consequences, whereas treatments, such as vaccines, give protection without those particular consequences.
You will note in my statement that you quoted, I used the word “firstly” indicating there was more than one point to my argument? You might then want to refer back to my post and re-read the bit about cherry picking. 😉
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I'm hopefully heading back to Japan in the next couple of days (awaiting PCR result) and I will take any and all boosters if the host country requires them regardless of my personal viewpoint.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I’m not denying that acquired natural immunity is real, just that relying on that has potential consequences, whereas treatments, such as vaccines, give protection without those particular consequences.
First, even in the context of you post, your first statement is false. Prove me wrong!!!!
Second, Well if you don’t deny it is real then it would be nice if you and the controlling governments you support kept their nose out of other peoples business. The chances of a healthy person suffering severe consequences from Covid is slim to none. So let a person make their own decisions. Btw I have suggested that compromised people that I come across discuss with their physician about getting the vaccine.
Third, I refuse to accept that everyone is a potentially a highly infected mess walking around just wanting to spread Covid unless they are symptomatic. Gosh this whole asymptomatic transfer business could be held against us for the end of time by some power hungry public servant. This is how you, Covidians, have been treating people for the past couple of years.
Fourth, in doing so your crowd has not done the logical thing and that is educate those at risk and place the responsibility on them for subsequent decisions. This is what Battachara, excuse the spelling, is advocating. If you are compromised get the vaccine. You are responsible for your health not some child or healthy individual who lives around you.
So on the basis of about 50 percent of compromised patients dying in nsg homes, the crazies in control have used a sledgehammer to kill an ant. Yay NZ.
You will note in my statement that you quoted, I used the word “firstly” indicating there was more than one point to my argument? You might then want to refer back to my post and re-read the bit about cherry picking. 😉
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Fuck me mate, but that’s an impressive rant. For many reasons but mainly for the sheer length to which you have gone to in order to pick an argument that wasn’t there and secondly to lump me in with most western governments in the Illuminati. I don’t see much point in prolonging such a non argument here but maybe if we stumbled into each other in a pub someday. I’m sure I’d recognise you. Tin foil hat, yes?
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@Catogrande No tinfoil hat here mate. It seems that is easy too lump people as tinfoil who don’t succumb to the current fear narrative. You still haven’t acknowledge that you’re first statement was false which it is.
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Catogrande No tinfoil hat here mate. It seems that is easy too lump people as tinfoil who don’t succumb to the current fear narrative. You still haven’t acknowledge that you’re first statement was false which it is.
I’ll try and address your question if you will tell me what about my first statement you feel is false.
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Moreover, his whole argument about natural immunity being just as effective as the vaccine does not address several issues. Firstly in that in getting that natural immunity you are risking death or serious illness.
This is your quote. Maybe you could define what the risk is for a healthy individual? 1 out of a thousand or million. Is this risk significant to merit altering you lifestyle.
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