2022 Black Ferns
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@marty I read that as criticizing but claiming not to.
Seriously, you can see it as the union throwing their best people at it, or as more white males. Screamed identity politics to me.
My point was there's a lot you can pick on, but adding those three isn't anywhere near the top of the list
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Bidwell's shit article doesn't address the prime issue of who to bring in in place of "old white men". You can either have people with 'the same background and life experiences' or you can have experienced, knowledgeable rugby coaches. It's a national representative team, not a group therapy provider.
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Black Ferns coaching structure confirmed
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has today announced the new coaching structure for the Black Ferns, taking the team through to Rugby World Cup 2021, played in 2022.
Former All Blacks Coach Wayne Smith, who joined the Black Ferns as Technical Coach earlier this month, moves into the role of Director of Rugby.
He will be assisted by Wesley Clarke and Whitney Hansen. The latter being promoted from the intern coaching role that she has held within the team for the past two years.
Sir Graham Henry will join the team in a coaching support role while specialist coaches, including Mike Cron, will be used throughout the year.
Further announcements around the management structure, with specific focus on leadership and culture will be made in coming weeks.Wesley Clarke
Wesley Clarke joined the Black Ferns coaching group as Assistant Coach in 2015. Prior to joining New Zealand Rugby Clarke held a number of coaching positions in Manawatu with theirs men’s and women’s XVs and sevens team. He was part of the Rugby World Cup winning Black Ferns coaching group in 2017. This year, Clarke led the Hurricanes Poua in the inaugural season of Sky Super Rugby Aupiki.
Whitney Hansen
Whitney Hansen joined the Black Ferns in a World Rugby Intern Coach role in 2020. Hailing from Christchurch, Hansen had coached club and age group teams before joining the coaching teams for the Black Ferns Development side in 2019 and New Zealand Barbarians in 2020. She has been the Assistant Coach of Canterbury’s FPC team and this year’s Matatū Super Rugby Aupiki side. -
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Official:
Black Ferns coaching structure confirmed
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has today announced the new coaching structure for the Black Ferns, taking the team through to Rugby World Cup 2021, played in 2022.
Former All Blacks Coach Wayne Smith, who joined the Black Ferns as Technical Coach earlier this month, moves into the role of Director of Rugby.
He will be assisted by Wesley Clarke and Whitney Hansen. The latter being promoted from the intern coaching role that she has held within the team for the past two years.
Sir Graham Henry will join the team in a coaching support role while specialist coaches, including Mike Cron, will be used throughout the year.
Further announcements around the management structure, with specific focus on leadership and culture will be made in coming weeks.Wesley Clarke
Wesley Clarke joined the Black Ferns coaching group as Assistant Coach in 2015. Prior to joining New Zealand Rugby Clarke held a number of coaching positions in Manawatu with theirs men’s and women’s XVs and sevens team. He was part of the Rugby World Cup winning Black Ferns coaching group in 2017. This year, Clarke led the Hurricanes Poua in the inaugural season of Sky Super Rugby Aupiki.
Whitney Hansen
Whitney Hansen joined the Black Ferns in a World Rugby Intern Coach role in 2020. Hailing from Christchurch, Hansen had coached club and age group teams before joining the coaching teams for the Black Ferns Development side in 2019 and New Zealand Barbarians in 2020. She has been the Assistant Coach of Canterbury’s FPC team and this year’s Matatū Super Rugby Aupiki side.Black Ferns can't complain now, better coaches than the ABs!
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@Machpants said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@Stargazer said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Official:
Black Ferns coaching structure confirmed
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has today announced the new coaching structure for the Black Ferns, taking the team through to Rugby World Cup 2021, played in 2022.
Former All Blacks Coach Wayne Smith, who joined the Black Ferns as Technical Coach earlier this month, moves into the role of Director of Rugby.
He will be assisted by Wesley Clarke and Whitney Hansen. The latter being promoted from the intern coaching role that she has held within the team for the past two years.
Sir Graham Henry will join the team in a coaching support role while specialist coaches, including Mike Cron, will be used throughout the year.
Further announcements around the management structure, with specific focus on leadership and culture will be made in coming weeks.Wesley Clarke
Wesley Clarke joined the Black Ferns coaching group as Assistant Coach in 2015. Prior to joining New Zealand Rugby Clarke held a number of coaching positions in Manawatu with theirs men’s and women’s XVs and sevens team. He was part of the Rugby World Cup winning Black Ferns coaching group in 2017. This year, Clarke led the Hurricanes Poua in the inaugural season of Sky Super Rugby Aupiki.
Whitney Hansen
Whitney Hansen joined the Black Ferns in a World Rugby Intern Coach role in 2020. Hailing from Christchurch, Hansen had coached club and age group teams before joining the coaching teams for the Black Ferns Development side in 2019 and New Zealand Barbarians in 2020. She has been the Assistant Coach of Canterbury’s FPC team and this year’s Matatū Super Rugby Aupiki side.Black Ferns can't complain now, better coaches than the ABs!
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@Machpants and if they can turn that team around and even win the RWC that I assume is Englands to lose, their legendness will grow even more!
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@Bovidae said in 2022 Black Ferns:
It's interesting to see that some high profile BFs like Woodman, Fluhler and Cocksedge have come out in support of Moore. So it might have only have been a vocal minority from some fringe/younger players that the report based their criticisms on.
Sounds like the more professional the player, the more likely they are to support Moore? That's not a great sign.
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@taniwharugby said in 2022 Black Ferns:
@Machpants and if they can turn that team around and even win the RWC that I assume is Englands to lose, their legendness will grow even more!
Yeah, England not winning this RWC would be the biggest choke ever, they're on a different level to all the other women, only France come close.
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lol nah NZ Rugby isn't insular at all
Coaching hole? Shit better get Wayne Smith to do it
Oh, and we need a Hansen too.
All we need now is someone who played for the Crusaders in the early 2000s to complete bingo -
Jokes aside they needed Hansen there and if she wasn't they would just be ignoring one of the issues with the setup.
If you are serious about establishing pathways for players you also need to do so for coaches. Hansen has been apprenticed to both the BFs and Matatu and this is a logical step.
As for the players supporting Moore I think it is pretty clear that the problems weren't with him as such, they were on the disconnect of expectations and preparedness of players entering the environment. Those that had been around and were first picks experienced one thing while those that were fringe starters (or squaddies) experienced some hard treatment they they weren't prepared for.
A very good point was made on the Breakdown the other week about how, by the time a male player has reached the top they have likely been through all sorts of top selections and environments (NZSS, Age Group, Super WTG, Super, NPC) while the women have had none of that except non-pro FPC.
I have sympathy for both sides and its clear that the fault was with a lazy NZR.NB: I also know of another long term high profile player that is perplexed about Moore leaving. There was definitely groups experiencing things very differently.
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On the news they said that Hansen will be in charge of the forwards, so it makes me wonder who had that responsibility on the tour last year. Was that Moore, with some input from Hansen? Clearly, the performance of the forwards needs to improve markedly to be competitive with England and France. John Haggart has also left but he was a backs coach.
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No matter how good the coaching team may be now, they are really up against it for the RWC.
England beat
Ireland 69-0
Wales 58-5
Italy 74-0
Scotland 57-5
France to come, their only possible competitors in the worldEmily Scarrat is one of their two centurions, they had almost 300 caps on the bench Vs Ireland.
Yes they are all low ranked teams, until the France match, but these girls are hardened pros, with significant experience
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@Machpants said in 2022 Black Ferns:
Emily Scarrat is one of their two centurions, they had almost 300 caps on the bench Vs Ireland.
There was a trivia tidbit shown during the tests against NZ which stated that Sarah Hunter had played 120 odd tests. That is more tests than the Black Ferns had played in their entire test history.
It was a pity that NZ didn't play some of the lesser 6N teams before England and France.
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@Crucial I decided to do a bit of digging and I was absolute staggered at some of the stuff I was able to dig up and I do find myself feeling incredibly sorry for Glen Moore that his career has been cut off at the knees.
The story needs to start in 2020 Te Kura Ngata Aerengamate played for the Northland FPC team in 2020 , she is the partner of Krystal Murray .
Not entirely sure what happened , but she decided to leave Northland siting that she needed to move to a stronger union were she could work on her fitness and core skills .
However in her time in at Counties Manukau it was rocky , needless to say the Head Coach quit 2 weeks before the season started , stories of TK being disruptive were rife .
Come the time of Black Ferns selection , she rocked up to the first training camp in even worse shape then when she left Northland and her core skills were no better but Moore took a punt on her because she was experienced and she let the management know that fact ..If you think back to the first test against England , her lineout throwing was sub par , missing the mark 5 out of 6 times ..
Just in a side note ,Chelsea Alley was so incensed that she missed the cut for the first test also against England , she packed her bags and threatened to leave ..
To be honest all Moore did was tell a few home truths in a direct forum , for me TK cheated this team with her ethic or lack of it , needless to say the rest of the team would have turned south for her.If you also take into account that both Rubi Tui and Portia Woodman have come in full support for Moore along with a good number of the team , I thought Woodmans coms on the breakdown were on point ,Glen is a very good communicator , his clarity in and around game plans crystal clear .
Both siting he has helped them with their careersI was told by a couple of Black Ferns who played in Moores team that won the World Cup in Ireland , it was his tactical masterpiece that he came up with the idea to take on the English through the middle which was a master stroke and not what the English expected
Moving forward to 2022, TK is currently up in Northland as CM don’t want a bar of her , she is currently trying to get her partner Krystal Murray to quit the game as they have both achieved everything in the game .
I find that attitude appalling , hoping Northland move on from her .
I have also been told there is sense of entitlement that the womens game should have a whole lot of money thrown at , but my answer to that is , at least show some initiative and get your own level of fitness up to standard where you actually have an athlete’s attitude
