Best League to Union convert

MN5

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Achieve what they did? Well that is a different argument entirely. Way to move the goal posts and argue about something I never said. BBBT has arguably achieved more, but I dont think so as winning 2 world cups trumps all IMO. As for Robinson... I would be fascinated to see what argument could be made that he achieved more.
 
And your 'jizz' comment is pathetic. I simply said that I think SBW was a better convert to union because his a particular skill set he bought across is at a new level... 
 
And good luck convincing anyone that Lomu was as good at off loading as SBW. Lomu had many incredible traits, and he could off load, but not at the level of SBW.
 
Just because I think SBW was a better convert than Robinson and BBBT does not mean I think they were rubbish or that I think SBW is the best rugby player. 
 
But least I know you were not intentionally being dim.
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Well yeah, that was the whole point in the thread. If SBW has a great few years perhaps he'll get there.

Baron Silas Greenback

Well maybe you should have been more accurate in your thread title and OP.
 
Because you just said best, not who has achieved more. 
 
But lets go with your achievement criteria then.
How has Robinson achieved more than SBW? (is there where I accuse you of jizzing over Robinson?)

antipodean

I would not be at all surprised to see the Blues win another title within the next three years.

gollum

I don't really buy SBW simply because he hasn't been able to get the 1st choice starting spot in the ABs. Robinson was starting 15 for England & the Lions almost from word go. Folau unchallenged for the Wobblies etc. Thorn owned the power lock slot for a couple of years.
 
I think its pretty certain SBW will get there - he should be 1st choice later this yerar & for the next 3 or 4. But up till now he's been our bench cover at 2 world cups & gets in the team when Nonu is on a break. Thats not "worlds greatest"...
 
 
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 1st choice starting player in his position at a WC & a Lions tour helps...

Billy Tell

Back - Folau 
Forward - Thorn 
Mentions for Sonny and Jason.

ACT Crusader

I was a huge fan of Robinson and thought he was an excellent player, but England have been my second team since I was a kid so perhaps I've always favoured a Pom over others. But in the clear light of day he was probably on par with Mat Rogers. 
Both good with ball in hand and under the high ball. Good decision makers and knew how to evade/bump off a defender. 
For me the best has been Sonny Bill because of what he brought to union was an offloading game that we hadn't seen from a backline player of his size and skill. Does it mean he is the bestest player the world has ever seen or the bestest 2nd 5 in the history of AB rugby - no! But for me the best convert suggests someone who brought a skill from his old code and help to transcend it in the new code. 
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Damo

Right now I think it's Thorn. In 3 years it will be either Folou or SBW.

sparky

Thorn, SBW, Robinson and Folau awesome in both codes professionally. If I had to pick one it would be Thorn. 
Tim Horan, Tana Umaga, Owen Farrell and Nehe Milner-skudder all player junior League but senior Rugby Union at pro level. 
Frano Botica, Matthew Ridge and Inga Tuigamala were all undoubtedly more successful and better players in League than they had been in Union.

Rancid Schnitzel

Are you sure Tim Horan played league? He went to a union playing school in Toowoomba then played colts (u21) in Brisbane. 
Considering all 3 of the latter mentioned players were in their prime when they played league and played league for longer it's hardly surprising that they achieved more in that sport. In fact Id question whether Inga was better in league. He was a farking super star in union.

MiketheSnow

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<div>League to Union: Brad Thorn</div>
<div>Union to League: Brad Thorn</div>
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Union to League: Jonathan Davies

Brian9848

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Are you being intentionally dim?
 
The skill step he bought was the off load, that whilst used in rugby before was a truly a leap above what union had seen before.
People had stepped like Robinson before. And BBBT bought what skill that rugby had never seen before? BBBT was a excellent AB with many fine characteristics.
 
You can disagree as much as you like, but at least try and follow other peoples points before making dumb comments.
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Is it even possible for you to engage different opinions from yours on this site without being offensive and insulting? I don't visit this site that often, but as long as I have been coming here, I've read this type of remark from you.

nostrildamus

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Is it even possible for you to engage different opinions from yours on this site without being offensive and insulting? 
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It is possible, it just isn't very frequent.

nostrildamus

NB regards Jason Robinson. That would be Jason Robinson, OBE. I believe as part of Wigan he also beat the Broncos.
As for rugby: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.espnscrum.com/england/rugby/player/13578.html'>http://www.espnscrum.com/england/rugby/player/13578.html</a>

Baron Silas Greenback

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I don't really buy SBW simply because he hasn't been able to get the 1st choice starting spot in the ABs. Robinson was starting 15 for England & the Lions almost from word go. Folau unchallenged for the Wobblies etc. Thorn owned the power lock slot for a couple of years.
 
I think its pretty certain SBW will get there - he should be 1st choice later this yerar & for the next 3 or 4. But up till now he's been our bench cover at 2 world cups & gets in the team when Nonu is on a break. Thats not "worlds greatest"...
 
 
 
 1st choice starting player in his position at a WC & a Lions tour helps... 
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Who was standing in the way of SBW? Who was standing in the way of Robinson? I bet if SBW was English he would have been first choice... and for the Lions The list of top draw fullbacks in England was very thin when Robinson was around.
Your point might have some validity if we were comparing Nonu to SBW, but we are not.

MN5

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Who was standing in the way of SBW? Who was standing in the way of Robinson? I bet if SBW was English he would have been first choice... and for the Lions The list of top draw fullbacks in England was very thin when Robinson was around.
Your point might have some validity if we were comparing Nonu to SBW, but we are not.
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But if SBW was as amazing as you imply he'd have usurped Nonu would he not ?
 
It is really disappointing to realize Robinson wasn't actually that good it's just everyone else was shit.

taniwharugby

I played League when I was 8, I got man (boy) of the match when Toowoomba visited, then we did a roady and played Glenora Bears and the Manurewa Marlins, I got MOTM in both those fixtures too, got player of the year and was told I'd make the Kiwis one day...I never quite scaled those heights in rugby, although did make the Whangarei divisional side when I was 22, at half back of all positions, so maybe evens.
 
Potentially, I was better than all these fellas mentioned, I just didn't have the opportunities they all did, they all had it easy.

Chris B.

The question is a bit like "Who was the better rugby player - Dan Carter or Richie McCaw"?
 
Answering a slightly different question - undoubtedly, in my mind, the most impressive transformation was Brad Thorn. Pretty much everyone else being mentioned played in the backs - most of them at wing or fullback, where the two games are most alike. That quite a few good players have been able to successfully transfer their run, catch, pass skills successfully from one code to the other isn't surprising.
 
But Brad went from a game where they barely have scrums, don't have lineouts, rucks or mauls - and made those his core duties. In my mind the others played two somewhat different, but similar sports. He played two substantially different sports.

No Quarter

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But if SBW was as amazing as you imply he'd have usurped Nonu would he not ?
 
It is really disappointing to realize Robinson wasn't actually that good it's just everyone else was shit.
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If we didn't have our greatest ever 12 playing there is absolutely no doubt SBW would have been in our top side. Saying he isn't a great convert because he couldn't usurp Nonu is a pretty tough benchmark!
 
SBW was outstanding in the RWC, and I am really looking forward to seeing what he will do in the next 3 years. For me, he's as good as Folau in terms of converts.

SabalomG

2011-2015, Cruden was probably the 2nd best first five in world rugby behind Carter (maybe the best if judging solely on form). Would we say that he was only average , considering he was never the first choice when Carter was fit?
 
Ma'a and Conrad is the best midfield combo the game has seen, yet SBW was good enough to be replace one of them for significant periods of time during crucial RWC matches.
 
I don't think being stuck behind Ma'a is a stroke against SBW. If you judge Sonny on his performances (2012, 2015 RWC) you'd say he was world class. His problem is that he hasn't produced that for any considerable amount of time. Once he gets to 45~50 caps, and been the best #12 in NZ for a couple of seasons (a good series against the Lions would help too) then maybe we can say he's the best convert, but until then its has to be Thorn

Chris B.

Michael O'Connor well worth a mention - though he'd be before quite a few's time.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Connor_(rugby)'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Connor_(rugby)</a>

The Silver Fern

Best League to Union convert