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    Just popped into the Cleveland reddit and they don't seem too happy about this.

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    Okay so the Watson deal might be worse than I thought. His base salary this year is $1 million and he gets a 45m signing bonus. That means his cap hit this year is 10m. The low base salary might be the browns managing their cap or in might be because he's expecting a suspension and his base salary is pro rated for games missed.

    I was expecting a fully guaranteed 5 year deal to be relatively evenly spread. But with the law hit this year than means the other 4 years his cap hit is going to be 55m. Plus if the trade him the signing bonus will all be charged at once rather than prorated across the life of the deal so even if they try to trade him they'll have to eat at least 9m per year remaining dead cap.

    Yes the salary cap is projected to go up and yes there is a big new tv deal coming, but that hit is the biggest is the league. And making it fully guaranteed makes it impossible to get out.

    The full structure isn't out yet, the will be interesting. I suspect it's going to be backloaded further so I wouldn't be surprised if the final years cap hits are over 60m. This deal is really a commitment for 6 or 7 years because they're going to have to extend him to spread the cap hits over the last couple of years. (Although that can probably be done with void years if he's below average).

    If Watson is the 10th best QB in the league, the Browns might actually regret this deal. I think he needs to be top 5 for them to be clearly winning.

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    JuJu Smith-Schuster to the Chiefs

    The AFC West continues to be an arms race

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    @cyclops yep, it's betting the farm. QB economics are screwed... And even with that deal they nearly missed out.

    You don't land a top ten quarterback without it I don't think

    Edit: good write-up by the way

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    Always a very knowledgeable guy.

    Mar 18, 2022  /  00:30

    Longtime NFL reporter John Clayton dies at 67

    Longtime NFL reporter John Clayton dies at 67

    John Clayton, one of the country's foremost NFL insiders who covered the league to great depths during a 20-plus-year career at ESPN, died Friday, his family said. He was 67.

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    @bovidae said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    Always a very knowledgeable guy.

    Mar 18, 2022  /  00:30

    Longtime NFL reporter John Clayton dies at 67

    Longtime NFL reporter John Clayton dies at 67

    John Clayton, one of the country's foremost NFL insiders who covered the league to great depths during a 20-plus-year career at ESPN, died Friday, his family said. He was 67.

    I was quite surprised. He's younger than I thought. Always seemed like a knowledgeable guy

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    More QB movement

    Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.

    Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.

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    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    More QB movement

    Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.

    Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.

    Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?

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    @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    More QB movement

    Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.

    Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.

    Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?

    More the latter. Falcons had to eat a huge chunk of salary cap to deal Ryan.

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    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    More QB movement

    Matt Ryan traded to the Colts for a 3rd round pick.

    Falcons sign Marcus Mariota.

    Mariota? Do they think they can get a tune out of him, or is he a cheap replacement while they rebuild?

    More the latter. Falcons had to eat a huge chunk of salary cap to deal Ryan.

    I didn't track him last year, but Matt Ryan will be an upgrade on Wentz if he has any juice left

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  • DiceD Offline
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    I hope Mariota does well. One of the more likeable guys in the league.

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    Remember the days when you could get a 1st for Sam Bradford?

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    @kiwimurph

    40m dead cap. Almost 20% of the total cap.

    Baker still on the market but that's about it. Saints signing Winston to a 2 year deal. Can't see Baker moving anywhere now, and Jimmy will presumably stay at the 49ers. Maybe the Panthers might a move for one of them. Don't think either is a clear upgrade on Darnold though. Small improvement probably but they're probably better off with the picks and cap space. Very small chance that the Seahawks make a move. They seem happy with what they've got and more likely to treat Lock as a bridge while they develop a rookie.

    Other than that, looks like the QB market is pretty much settled until draft day.

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    @dice said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    Remember the days when you could get a 1st for Sam Bradford?

    Unique situation when Vikings lost their starting QB to an ACL one week before the season.

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    @kiwimurph True, although I don't think he was close to being worth a 1st.

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    @cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.

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    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.

    Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old

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    If we look at recent top QBs, like Brady and Rodgers, they need to show an ability to hold a grudge for a long time!

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    @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.

    Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old

    You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).

    Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.

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    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @canefan said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @kiwimurph said in NFL Season 2020/21/22:

    @cyclops NFL changes quick. Not that long ago Baker and Darnold were battling to be the number 1 overall draft pick.

    Goes to show how tough it is to pick a top QB. I think scouts tend to focus too much on the physical gifts and less on the mental and character side. But I would imagine it is difficult to assess that in a 20 year old

    You could argue it either way. The two best QBs out of that Draft were the two most physically gifted QBs (Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson).

    Considering the Browns history Baker did ok but he was always a weird choice for 1 overall - he was small, not an elite athlete and not a huge arm. In fairness there wasn't a slam dunk choice though as they were rightly wary of Darnold and Rosen.

    Lamar has to get busy in the playoffs. Allen looks to have a great chance to get a championship to Buffalo finally, especially if the Bills keep spending up to strengthen for next season

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