Super Rugby 2022
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial doesn't sound like a move in the right direction, i reckon. Over-regulation is strangling the game atm.
I see it as removing the TMO bullshit conversations.
The knock on examples are probably a big stretch. More than happy to leave that on field but if there was a live calculation that indicated to the TMO about a forward pass think of the pain that wouldtake away. No TMO asking to go back and spent 5 minutes trying to make a decision from a dubious camera angle. The ref would know if a FP had been made immediately before awarding a try etc. -
@crucial you reckon the algorithm will know the difference between thrown forward and drifted forward?
And i reckon, if it does, you will see a huge amount of successful rugby attacks brought back. I've seen a few tries already this season where it is almost certain there was at least one forward pass.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial you reckon the algorithm will know the difference between thrown forward and drifted forward?
And i reckon, if it does, you will see a huge amount of successful rugby attacks brought back. I've seen a few tries already this season where it is almost certain there was at least one forward pass.
If the tracking is accurate enough, it will easily be able to tell if it left the hands backwards. IMO any tech should only be used, outside of old school red card play, if the ref asks. If the ref doesn;t see forward pass, cos it is close enough. Then leave it. Ref could say check that pass, TMO goes it’s red/green, game carries on. If it comes up red, TMO STFU unless asked. Only if the TMO sees dirty play should they intervene
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@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial you reckon the algorithm will know the difference between thrown forward and drifted forward?
And i reckon, if it does, you will see a huge amount of successful rugby attacks brought back. I've seen a few tries already this season where it is almost certain there was at least one forward pass.
If the tracking is accurate enough, it will easily be able to tell if it left the hands backwards. IMO any tech should only be used, outside of old school red card play, if the ref asks. If the ref doesn;t see forward pass, cos it is close enough. Then leave it. Ref could say check that pass, TMO goes it’s red/green, game carries on. If it comes up red, TMO STFU unless asked. Only if the TMO sees dirty play should they intervene
lol yeah fairies and rainbows
that toothpaste is out of the tube my friend. We'll get far far more intervention before we get less. Add in players whinging in the refs ear. And TMOs going "above and beyond" to find other things while reviewing stuff, and we are fast heading for the ref being secondary to the great eye in the sky.
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@mariner4life I love unicorns too.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial you reckon the algorithm will know the difference between thrown forward and drifted forward?
And i reckon, if it does, you will see a huge amount of successful rugby attacks brought back. I've seen a few tries already this season where it is almost certain there was at least one forward pass.
If the tracking is accurate enough, it will easily be able to tell if it left the hands backwards. IMO any tech should only be used, outside of old school red card play, if the ref asks. If the ref doesn;t see forward pass, cos it is close enough. Then leave it. Ref could say check that pass, TMO goes it’s red/green, game carries on. If it comes up red, TMO STFU unless asked. Only if the TMO sees dirty play should they intervene
lol yeah fairies and rainbows
that toothpaste is out of the tube my friend. We'll get far far more intervention before we get less. Add in players whinging in the refs ear. And TMOs going "above and beyond" to find other things while reviewing stuff, and we are fast heading for the ref being secondary to the great eye in the sky.
I think you are missing the point. Any calculation would happen in the background. Hopefully we would never see it. Build in a tolerance for flat passes ( in a way a bit like cricket DRS tolerance for ball tracking) and it makes it 'clear and obvious'.
Play goes on as normal. No going back and checking. Removes captains asking questions and whinging players. If the system hasn't generated a red light in the play then there is nothing to see. If it has then the ref is informed just as an AR would.
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@crucial said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2022:
@crucial you reckon the algorithm will know the difference between thrown forward and drifted forward?
And i reckon, if it does, you will see a huge amount of successful rugby attacks brought back. I've seen a few tries already this season where it is almost certain there was at least one forward pass.
If the tracking is accurate enough, it will easily be able to tell if it left the hands backwards. IMO any tech should only be used, outside of old school red card play, if the ref asks. If the ref doesn;t see forward pass, cos it is close enough. Then leave it. Ref could say check that pass, TMO goes it’s red/green, game carries on. If it comes up red, TMO STFU unless asked. Only if the TMO sees dirty play should they intervene
lol yeah fairies and rainbows
that toothpaste is out of the tube my friend. We'll get far far more intervention before we get less. Add in players whinging in the refs ear. And TMOs going "above and beyond" to find other things while reviewing stuff, and we are fast heading for the ref being secondary to the great eye in the sky.
I think you are missing the point. Any calculation would happen in the background. Hopefully we would never see it. Build in a tolerance for flat passes ( in a way a bit like cricket DRS tolerance for ball tracking) and it makes it 'clear and obvious'.
Play goes on as normal. No going back and checking. Removes captains asking questions and whinging players. If the system hasn't generated a red light in the play then there is nothing to see. If it has then the ref is informed just as an AR would.
Wayne Barnes could have done with it.and i think you are living in dream land
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@machpants if it is passed forward the ball should explode so we then dont carry on multiple phases after the pass only for it to be called back.
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants if it is passed forward the ball should explode so we then dont carry on multiple phases after the pass only for it to be called back.
now THAT'S entertainment
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants if it is passed forward the ball should explode so we then dont carry on multiple phases after the pass only for it to be called back.
We’re onto a winner! Imagine all the scrums exploding when the ball goes in at 45 degrees!
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@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@machpants if it is passed forward the ball should explode so we then dont carry on multiple phases after the pass only for it to be called back.
It should also explode for defensive chips from inside the 22 and goal line grubbers when there is a 3 man overlap.
Edit: RIP Beauden Barrett
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Moana Pasifika will play two mid-week matches, against the Blues at Mt Smart Stadium on Tuesday 29 March in Round 7, and against the Gallagher Chiefs at FMG Stadium Waikato on Tuesday 12 April in Round 9.
Postponed DHL Super Rugby Pacific matches rescheduled
New Zealand Rugby (NZR) has confirmed the rescheduled dates and venues for two previously postponed DHL Super Rugby Pacific matches, both involving Moana Pasifika.
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@kiwimurph Making it a tight turnaround for both teams makes it at least equitable and better than not playing IMO.
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That's a rough schedule for MP. They don't really have the depth to handle it. We could see cricket scores if they have to trot out their B team for any of those games.
Because MP doesn't have a game this week, it might've been better if they got one of those postponed games done next Monday/Tuesday, then reschedule the game against the Highlanders to Saturday/Sunday to give them a bit of a rest.
The Blues or Chiefs can just put out their B team against them next week and still win.
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@dice said in Super Rugby 2022:
That's a rough schedule for MP. They don't really have the depth to handle it. We could see cricket scores if they have to trot out their B team for any of those games.
Because MP doesn't have a game this week, it might've been better if they got one of those postponed games done next Monday/Tuesday, then reschedule the game against the Highlanders to Saturday/Sunday to give them a bit of a rest.
The Blues or Chiefs can just put out their B team against them next week and still win.
Really thrown in at the deep end in their first season. Maybe it will accelerate their development.
The more they get to play and show some passion the more their fans will get behind them and the more attractive they will be for recruitment.
It's a shit situation but hope something good comes out of it.
What they showed against the Crusaders is what we need in Super. Makes players workout how to deal with very physical teams taht want to hit them hard all night long.
