All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bovidae said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Jordie should be at fullback, so already provides a big boot.
Jordie has a big boot but doesn't use it that effectively (off the tee he does but not in the field of play).
Need to see more from Zarn but so far he has really shown a real ability to pin teams back / control field position with his boot. This becomes even more useful with the 50-22 rule.
Is he asked to use it? Because he used to, and certainly could improve his execution if it was pat of the game plan - both canes and ABs
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@machpants said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bovidae said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Jordie should be at fullback, so already provides a big boot.
Jordie has a big boot but doesn't use it that effectively (off the tee he does but not in the field of play).
Need to see more from Zarn but so far he has really shown a real ability to pin teams back / control field position with his boot. This becomes even more useful with the 50-22 rule.
Is he asked to use it? Because he used to, and certainly could improve his execution if it was pat of the game plan - both canes and ABs
There was at least one game where Jordie came on and used his boot very effectively. Perhaps the gameplan or conditions?
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Retallick got outplayed by Blues journeyman Josh Goodhue, who is having his best season, but it's so obvious that he is done for at test level.
It's completely unheard of that a player could take two years out of NZ rugby then expect to come straight back into the ABs. It was absolute bullshit that they allowed that. Retallick was awful last year.
Whitelock is one hundred years old.
Foster and his gang of retards could use Tuipoluto up the middle, rather than out wide, but they are so stupid.
Hope Tupou Vaai develops very fast, because we are out of options.
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I thought Goodhue was quite quiet today, in comparison to last week when he was probably best on the field (1 pass, 4 runs, no metres, 9 made, 1 missed).
I don't think Retallick was great either, but he played reasonably well for an older AB coming to it. He led the locks for tackles made (11 made, none missed), and gave up one penalty but also had the nice turnover that you mentioned.
He didn't do much with the ball though ( 6 runs, 2 metres) and I can't dispute your point about his form in the last two years, but I've got some hope that he'll work his way into it.
With Lord's form today (25 metres, 7 passes, 7 runs, 2 offloads, 2 defenders beaten) and Goodhue's last week, I'm feeling like lock might not be as bad as it appeared and I'm still confident that at least one of BBBR and Whitelock will be there next year playing well enough. However, your question about who is coming next is a good one and I can't say I'm confident - with luck one of them will turn out to be AWJ like and go great guns far beyond the age that they should do (much more important for Whitelock).
Separate point, but the Canes aren't fucking helping by centennially choosing undersized locks who have no chance of ever making the Abs.
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Our entire tight 5 is cooked. Where are the units NZ?
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@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
It should be unthinkable, but it's a distinct possibility now that Ireland could beat us at Eden Park.
Eden Park, a fortress since 1994.
If that happens the entire panel of clowns that coach NZ need to go.
I'm not pinning this all on them. Our pathways are fucked all of a sudden. Hermit kingdom NZ has definitely set us back.
Our forwards are fucked. The old guys are cooked. The next level (hi Ofa) who should be stepping up are dumb as shit. Oh and not very good.
No big munters. Anywhere.
Guys who we know are not capable at the next level are locked in at Super level.
Super coaches appear to he fucking terrible at development, all of them, even the surfy messiah.But hey, we'll beat Australia, all good, everyone gets an extension.
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So, when was the last time Retallick had a decent game for the All Blacks?
It wasn't last year, and it sure as hell wasn't in 2019.
Four fucking years ago he had a good game. Better spend all the money on his contract.
There has never been a player who has had an easier ride. And has produced nothing.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Our entire tight 5 is cooked. Where are the units NZ?
Taukei'aho is actually looking really fucking good, and accurate when he has jumpers to throw to. His post contact metres today were fucking awesome.
Apart from that though, I think your point stands.
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@tim I agree he has looked poor since his injury, and well off the pace since his return to NZ
That said I'm not sure PT was the answer, alot of his issues seemed to exist with him, not any coaches as he simply wasn't able to use his physical attributes to impose himself as you'd expect/hope.
Our player development in the past 4 or 5 years has been shit, we went from having pretty much the team of the century in 2015 and have really let things slide since, desperately trying to hold onto players when they are past it or run into the ground after super.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
That said I'm not sure PT was the answer, alot of his issues seemed to exist with him, not any coaches as he simply wasn't able to use his physical attributes to impose himself as you'd expect/hope.
I could count the good games PT had for the ABs on one hand and be missing a few fingers. If Tuipulotu is the answer, I'd hate to know what the question is!
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I see a bunch of young forwards out there willing to throw their bodies around and fight for metres. We just need to be accepting that swapping experience for youth is going to come with some “learnings” at the next level.
We need to do some culling in the tight five quickly and get it over and done with.
If it wasn’t for some injuries Samisoni wouldn’t have even been at an AB camp last year. Now he’s streets ahead as our best option.
Let’s get some big damaging props going instead of old boys that may know scrum tricks but fall over when they try and run.
The selectors have at least tried with the locks. Lord looked good last night but there are others as well.
MSR had some go forward abrasiveness for the Landers as an example. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
It should be unthinkable, but it's a distinct possibility now that Ireland could beat us at Eden Park.
Eden Park, a fortress since 1994.
If that happens the entire panel of clowns that coach NZ need to go.
I'm not pinning this all on them. Our pathways are fucked all of a sudden. Hermit kingdom NZ has definitely set us back.
Our forwards are fucked. The old guys are cooked. The next level (hi Ofa) who should be stepping up are dumb as shit. Oh and not very good.
No big munters. Anywhere.
Guys who we know are not capable at the next level are locked in at Super level.
Super coaches appear to he fucking terrible at development, all of them, even the surfy messiah.Based off what? It's Razor's job to win SR titles at all costs, how it gets there is irrelevant to him.
And Tony Brown is doing a comparatively poor job with his player development & team selection at the Highlanders - so why didn't you give him an honorable mention?
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Based off what? It's Razor's job to win SR titles at all costs, how it gets there is irrelevant to him.
It might be irrelevant to him but he's certainly not churning out players that are suited for test rugby.
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Based off what? It's Razor's job to win SR titles at all costs, how it gets there is irrelevant to him.
It might be irrelevant to him but he's certainly not churning out players that are suited for test rugby.
Or perhaps Foster was not utilizing those players properly at international level as Razor implied...
