All Blacks 2022
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
Unbelievable incompetence, signing these fuckwits up before Northern tour
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs..
loooooooooooooooool
deadset how fucking shit have the NZRU become at high performance?
No wonder they were pushing hard for the Silver Lake deal, it'll be worth half as much in 12 months.
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@machpants what's the point in having a review? Even that butt covering exercise wastes resources.
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New Zealand Rugby's appetite for major personnel change appears minimal with the All Blacks and Black Ferns likely to retain their status quo coaches.
All Blacks coach Ian Foster and Black Ferns counterpart Glenn Moore have fronted NZ Rugby's high-performance executives in recent days ahead of today's board meeting where the respective reviews into their side's 2021 campaigns will be formally tabled.
For the All Blacks, after successive defeats against Ireland and France to finish a season that featured 12 wins and three losses (their worst record since 2009) their review assumed a dark cloud. Weaknesses across the board — including the game drivers' inability to switch from Plan A to B in those final two assignments and cope with the suffocating Northern Hemisphere style — were highlighted, but from a management perspective there will be no casualties despite critical player feedback in some areas.
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
From an attacking perspective the All Blacks scored 101 tries last year to break the single season record of 92 tries set by Argentina in 2003. Those figures were, though, seriously skewed by the All Blacks amassing centuries against weak Tongan and USA teams.
When confronted with relentless Irish and French defensive pressure, the All Blacks attack failed to fire. Predictability and a lack of evolution were evident.
The forward pack's struggles formed another continuing source of frustration. Just as England dominated the All Blacks in their 2019 World Cup semifinal, they were again largely overpowered up front by Ireland and France.
The Springboks troubled the All Blacks with their physical onslaught at the breakdown too. France claimed two maul tries in Paris and the All Blacks lineout wobbled at times, leaving lingering concerns about their ability to deliver a front-foot platform against formidable packs.
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs.
Joe Schmidt's anticipated arrival into the All Blacks coaching team will ask hard questions to challenge established strategies and selections this year. Foster has been open about embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses having enjoyed success with Ireland against New Zealand.
At this stage, though, Schmidt is not expected to travel abroad with the All Blacks and doesn't officially start his selector/analyst role until August following Ireland's three test July tour of New Zealand.
While the All Blacks review identified the need for specific coaching improvements, subsequent feedback is understood to have challenged senior players to accept their share of responsibility, too.
The All Blacks end-of-year tour squad featured nine players aged 30 years or older, sparking concerns in some quarters that number is too high with the World Cup still 18 months away.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks 2022:
If you were one of the assistant coaches and you got a really bad review - coaching a national icon - and you knew by in large you deserved it, wouldn't you resign - rather than hanging in to likely fail at5 the big dance, or for a sacking and cheque?
You would think so, I wonder how much of the subsequent feedback challenging senior players infuenced the decision to keep them on. Perhaps they are hanging on to a narrative that says the players didnt follow the plan ( or plan B ) they gave them.
Not that the public would have any idea if one existed to start with!
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised.
What about McLeod and the bend-but-don't-break-it-breaks-anyway defence?
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses
Fuck, we have a list already, I expect a trained eye like Schmidt would have a longer more detailed one...whether this coaching crew can take criticism and adapt remains to be seen...evidence to date doesn't look likely
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
New Zealand Rugby's appetite for major personnel change appears minimal with the All Blacks and Black Ferns likely to retain their status quo coaches.
All Blacks coach Ian Foster and Black Ferns counterpart Glenn Moore have fronted NZ Rugby's high-performance executives in recent days ahead of today's board meeting where the respective reviews into their side's 2021 campaigns will be formally tabled.
For the All Blacks, after successive defeats against Ireland and France to finish a season that featured 12 wins and three losses (their worst record since 2009) their review assumed a dark cloud. Weaknesses across the board — including the game drivers' inability to switch from Plan A to B in those final two assignments and cope with the suffocating Northern Hemisphere style — were highlighted, but from a management perspective there will be no casualties despite critical player feedback in some areas.
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
From an attacking perspective the All Blacks scored 101 tries last year to break the single season record of 92 tries set by Argentina in 2003. Those figures were, though, seriously skewed by the All Blacks amassing centuries against weak Tongan and USA teams.
When confronted with relentless Irish and French defensive pressure, the All Blacks attack failed to fire. Predictability and a lack of evolution were evident.
The forward pack's struggles formed another continuing source of frustration. Just as England dominated the All Blacks in their 2019 World Cup semifinal, they were again largely overpowered up front by Ireland and France.
The Springboks troubled the All Blacks with their physical onslaught at the breakdown too. France claimed two maul tries in Paris and the All Blacks lineout wobbled at times, leaving lingering concerns about their ability to deliver a front-foot platform against formidable packs.
Strangely, NZ Rugby did not announce it last year but the Herald understands Mooar, Plumtree, Feek and defence coach Scott McLeod all re-signed through to the 2023 World Cup not long after head coach Foster was granted his two-year extension last August.
The assistant coaches have now survived the review, and avoided NZ Rugby having to fork out potential pay-outs.
Joe Schmidt's anticipated arrival into the All Blacks coaching team will ask hard questions to challenge established strategies and selections this year. Foster has been open about embracing Schmidt's knowledge of the northern game, and his views on All Blacks' weaknesses having enjoyed success with Ireland against New Zealand.
At this stage, though, Schmidt is not expected to travel abroad with the All Blacks and doesn't officially start his selector/analyst role until August following Ireland's three test July tour of New Zealand.
While the All Blacks review identified the need for specific coaching improvements, subsequent feedback is understood to have challenged senior players to accept their share of responsibility, too.
The All Blacks end-of-year tour squad featured nine players aged 30 years or older, sparking concerns in some quarters that number is too high with the World Cup still 18 months away.
Who wrote? Pretty on to it methinks.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks 2022:
While Foster is said to have largely reviewed well, All Blacks assistant coaches Brad Mooar (attack), John Plumtree (forwards) and to a lesser extent Greg Feek (scrum) were heavily scrutinised. In each case NZ Rugby has, however, opted to pursue the development rather than termination option.
Utterly ludicrous for those morons on the NZRU Board to blame the rest of the coaching staff, but not the head coach ??? the buck stops with the coach.
It's astonishing that over such a short period of time Foster & his coaching staff have basically managed to ruin the reputation of AB rugby... just shows you how vital it is to have a good head coach & coaching staff in place.
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
He's certainly not good enough to be a prop for Ireland!
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But Robinson said the NZ Rugby board has made the decision at its meeting this week that the bottom line shouldn’t always be put ahead of allowing people throughout the country to see the All Blacks.
Sweet, so I guess some of the other regions, Invercargill, Whangarei, Palmy might see a test in the near future?
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That article says that Hamilton also gets an Argentinean test.
The proposed Māori-Ireland game is still a possibility.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
That article says that Hamilton also gets an Argentinean test.
The proposed Māori-Ireland game is still a possibility.
I'll try to make three of those, weekend in Welly with the boys, Tron with my uni boy, and dirty weekend in Auckland with the wife. Bring it on, I only got to one of the four from last year!
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
If the answer is Jager, we're going backwards from Owen Franks.
The tackles stats are pretty crazy for the game (they have Christie with 48, Dickson with 38, and Coltman with 32) but he did well there with 28 tackles and no misses. Also didn't concede a penalty. On the other side it looks like he touched the ball 6 times in the game - 2 passes, 4 runs, zero metres.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@billy-tell said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
I see Oli Jäger made the team of the week.
What are the chances of him being called up in July?
And by whom!? Would he choose the ABs over Ireland?
I really don’t see it. Maybe I’m missing something but I have yet to be impressed by Jäger.
If the answer is Jager, we're going backwards from Owen Franks.
The tackles stats are pretty crazy for the game (they have Christie with 48, Dickson with 38, and Coltman with 32) but he did well there with 28 tackles and no misses. Also didn't concede a penalty. On the other side it looks like he touched the ball 6 times in the game - 2 passes, 4 runs, zero metres.
Surely 4 runs would add up to at least a metre ?
