GOAT 10
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I personally think Carter might be the absolute GOAT - better even than Richie - but Zinny making shit takes is nothing new since he sold out to England.
To your question, there is a long list of first fives I’d choose ahead of BB, so not counting non-kiwis like Bernie (who I fucking love), I’m not even sure he would make my top five of kiwi first fives:
Carter, Spencer, Merhtens, Fox, Cruden would all go ahead of him for me.
Barrett has won fuck all as an international 10.
Brilliant 22/23 off the bench - possibly the best ever in that role.
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Jesus some harsh thoughts on somebody with a diff opinion ….
Carter was a phenomenal player but there are plenty of arguments about GOAT. I’ve always thought he’s a bit over rated, mainly because I didn’t see him THAT far ahead. For me, Larkham still remains the greatest rugby player that I’ve watched.
Beauden is a hell of a player but his sheer speed doesn’t offset this slightly weaker skill set to make him number one.
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@majorrage shittest take so far
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@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
One more for the five then?
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Don't get the hype for Larkham as an all timer. Many of Barrett's weaknesses were Larkham's too. Was he really that much better than other playmaking 10s with wobbly goal kicking and weak defence like Spencer and Honiball?
As a matter of principle a GOAT 10 should be able to goal kick to an above average level.
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Don't get the hype for Larkham as an all timer. Many of Barrett's weaknesses were Larkham's too. Was he really that much better than other playmaking 10s with wobbly goal kicking and weak defence like Spencer and Honiball?
As a matter of principle a GOAT 10 should be able to goal kick to an above average level.
Edit, sorry, I’ve had quite a few drinks (I can recommend a great all-inclusive hotel in Tochigi)and I read that as drop kick. But, fuck it as it is a great Bernie moment.
Btw, the Honiball poor at defense take is really strange.
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
Oh Zinny, just more anti-Crusader stuff coming out of Auckland 😉
It's a bit unfair to accuse him of bias for not selecting fellow Blues legend Dan Carter.
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT 10:
@catogrande said in GOAT 10:
@machpants said in GOAT 10:
He's just writing for his audience, he makes his money in UK now, gotta kiss that ass
Which would explain his selection of just one UK player 🙄
And it was Gareth Edwards at 9, FFS. May be heresy for some, but Edwards was nowhere near the best halfback of all time, not even for Wales. Sid Going ran rings round him, game after game, and Sid couldn't even pass properly.
😂😂😂
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@mikethesnow said in GOAT 10:
@victor-meldrew said in GOAT 10:
@catogrande said in GOAT 10:
@machpants said in GOAT 10:
He's just writing for his audience, he makes his money in UK now, gotta kiss that ass
Which would explain his selection of just one UK player 🙄
And it was Gareth Edwards at 9, FFS. May be heresy for some, but Edwards was nowhere near the best halfback of all time, not even for Wales. Sid Going ran rings round him, game after game, and Sid couldn't even pass properly.
😂😂😂
Nah. As over-rated as Mervyn Davies was underrated in that period for me. Apart from the 3rd Test in '71 he was very average against us - particularly against Going.
Rob Howley is one of the best 9's I've seen and was way, way better - even behind the awful packs Wales had then.
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT 10:
@mikethesnow said in GOAT 10:
@victor-meldrew said in GOAT 10:
@catogrande said in GOAT 10:
@machpants said in GOAT 10:
He's just writing for his audience, he makes his money in UK now, gotta kiss that ass
Which would explain his selection of just one UK player 🙄
And it was Gareth Edwards at 9, FFS. May be heresy for some, but Edwards was nowhere near the best halfback of all time, not even for Wales. Sid Going ran rings round him, game after game, and Sid couldn't even pass properly.
😂😂😂
Nah. As over-rated as Mervyn Davies was underrated in that period for me. Apart from the 3rd Test in '71 he was very average against us - particularly against Going.
Rob Howley is one of the best 9's I've seen and was way, way better - even behind the awful packs Wales had then.
You’re very much in the minority
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
Any love for Hugo Porta?
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
Any love for Hugo Porta?
I think some of the earlier 10s may be penalised unfairly for lacking the complete game of later 10s. Someone like Grant Fox was a cold blooded killer at 10. I barely remember him missing goal kicks, his game management was awesome, the guy was a machine in the pocket
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
Any love for Hugo Porta?
I think some of the earlier 10s may be penalised unfairly for lacking the complete game of later 10s. Someone like Grant Fox was a cold blooded killer at 10. I barely remember him missing goal kicks, his game management was awesome, the guy was a machine in the pocket
If Larkham can be in so many peoples top 5's with his deficiencies being overshadowed by his running and passing then Foxy is definitely in mine. Dude couldn't run to save himself but as an on field general he could move the team around as good as anyone and had a great passing game.
@rotated I don't agree that a 10 has to be a goal kicker, when I first started watching rugby as a youngster the 15 was supposed to be the goal kicker.
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
Any love for Hugo Porta?
I think some of the earlier 10s may be penalised unfairly for lacking the complete game of later 10s. Someone like Grant Fox was a cold blooded killer at 10. I barely remember him missing goal kicks, his game management was awesome, the guy was a machine in the pocket
If Larkham can be in so many peoples top 5's with his deficiencies being overshadowed by his running and passing then Foxy is definitely in mine. Dude couldn't run to save himself but as an on field general he could move the team around as good as anyone and had a great passing game.
@rotated I don't agree that a 10 has to be a goal kicker, when I first started watching rugby as a youngster the 15 was supposed to be the goal kicker.
If you take someone like BB, he is almost the polar opposite of Foxy. Electric broken field runner, but his game management and goal kicking is a weakness
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
Any love for Hugo Porta?
I think some of the earlier 10s may be penalised unfairly for lacking the complete game of later 10s. Someone like Grant Fox was a cold blooded killer at 10. I barely remember him missing goal kicks, his game management was awesome, the guy was a machine in the pocket
If Larkham can be in so many peoples top 5's with his deficiencies being overshadowed by his running and passing then Foxy is definitely in mine. Dude couldn't run to save himself but as an on field general he could move the team around as good as anyone and had a great passing game.
@rotated I don't agree that a 10 has to be a goal kicker, when I first started watching rugby as a youngster the 15 was supposed to be the goal kicker.
If you take someone like BB, he is almost the polar opposite of Foxy. Electric broken field runner, but his game management and goal kicking is a weakness
Yeah, I've never been a huge fan of BB as a 10. But, he may be our greatest ever impact sub as he's an awesome general rugby player.
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@act-crusader said in GOAT 10:
@majorrage Larkham in my top 5 definitely but behind Carter, Ella and Wilkinson.
Any love for Hugo Porta?
I think some of the earlier 10s may be penalised unfairly for lacking the complete game of later 10s. Someone like Grant Fox was a cold blooded killer at 10. I barely remember him missing goal kicks, his game management was awesome, the guy was a machine in the pocket
If Larkham can be in so many peoples top 5's with his deficiencies being overshadowed by his running and passing then Foxy is definitely in mine. Dude couldn't run to save himself but as an on field general he could move the team around as good as anyone and had a great passing game.
@rotated I don't agree that a 10 has to be a goal kicker, when I first started watching rugby as a youngster the 15 was supposed to be the goal kicker.
If you take someone like BB, he is almost the polar opposite of Foxy. Electric broken field runner, but his game management and goal kicking is a weakness
Yeah, I've never been a huge fan of BB as a 10. But, he may be our greatest ever impact sub as he's an awesome general rugby player.
In a game my life depended on, in terms of NZ 10s, I'd pick DC or Foxy. Merhts in 3 with Carlos just behind
