All Blacks 2022
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@dan54 They generally take in the mid 30s away on trips so that is plenty to fill out a team to play mid week matches. The opposition will generally be piss weak as their top players are often rested to save them for league games so the games will probably not be overly taxing and you could probably get by with running your starting 15 (effectively the dirty dirties come weekend games) for the whole eighty minutes.
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Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
I wonder how much money is made off of Lions tours, enough of an incentive to do it I'm picking. I would have thought if we can send a junior ABs team somewhere we could just send a larger ABs squad on NH tour for example, and play midweek. I wonder if it is resistance from local clubs (my guess) or from our side? Maybe the TV revenue isn't enough. But I would have thought an ABs vs Llanelli type scenario would be of interest. The current 3 or 4 test match only tours feel quite disjointed
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2022:
Use to really enjoy those tours where we use to play midweek games against provincial teams, it also gave the blokes in the B team a chance to earn a spot in the test 15 or on the bench... unfortunately in the professional era we don't really have time to fit those games in.
And the domestic teams can't spare the time or the expense anyway
True, just miss those type of tours.
I wonder how much money is made off of Lions tours, enough of an incentive to do it I'm picking. I would have thought if we can send a junior ABs team somewhere we could just send a larger ABs squad on NH tour for example, and play midweek. I wonder if it is resistance from local clubs (my guess) or from our side? Maybe the TV revenue isn't enough. But I would have thought an ABs vs Llanelli type scenario would be of interest. The current 3 or 4 test match only tours feel quite disjointed
Reckon supporters would really enjoy the ABs playing a midweek game against a team like LIanelli, these games give a tour a better balance - just play against the top provincial or club teams, also I suppose midweek games don't have to be played on every tour... as you say there's are a few other factors to be considered as well, this format can only be a good thing for rugby.
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@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ? -
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?much like we dont need more competitions, we dont need more teams (IMHO), playing against club team mid week contributes to the history..or even mana if you will.. of these existing teams...which is good for rugby...much less so for these teams that end up getting cobbled together
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?much like we dont need more competitions, we dont need more teams (IMHO), playing against club team mid week contributes to the history..or even mana if you will.. of these existing teams...which is good for rugby...much less so for these teams that end up getting cobbled together
Part of it is only about past history, what it does is gives midweek players a better chance of earning a spot in the top AB squad between tests... pretty big squads are taken on tours anyway, so adding a few more isn't going to make much diff, also midweek matches don't have to be played on every tour.
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@nzbloke yeah, i'd agreed midweek games were good for the touring team, the comment was just about who they play
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
It has to be predominantly club teams. Not composite teams.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke
And what you'd think of midweek matches against teams like the English Saxons, Ireland A or the French Barbarians ?I don't think midweek games are even worth thinking about against anyone, and teams like Ireland A, Saxons etc even worse, I remember when ABs would play French selections , not ideal.
It has to be predominantly club teams. Not composite teams.
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke yeah, i'd agreed midweek games were good for the touring team, the comment was just about who they play
They'd have to play against the really top club teams in the UK etc
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@nzbloke ...literally what i said
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@nzbloke ...literally what i said
We have mentioned that before anyway, no bloody good playing the weaker clubs, the midweek players get no benefit out of it
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@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
I made the proposal of composite teams because the clubs would be reluctant to add a midweek game to their heavy schedule. If they have to, they would probably field a "B" team.
That is the spectre of the pro game. No one plays for the glory anymore. Even if the players wanted to the owners won't want to risk their valuable assets in a non league game
