Mark Todd - Horse Beater
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@dan54 said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
I agree I don't like it, but I have seen horse racing too, so......
hadn't posted till now when i saw the clip...yes, slippery slope, id say thats less violent than horse racing whip
But like i think everyone else very much dont like the idea of hurting an animal
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@gt12 said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
I think this is the clip.
That's what they're complaining about? Holy fuck, imagine the outrage if they saw cattle being run through a dip.
Also, what arsehole released the footage? These days it makes sense to enforce removal of phones from people least some arsehole ruins it for everyone.
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@hooroo said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
They will eventually ban the whip in racing and then there will be more hurt and killed horses on race days.
While they use the whip to gee them up, it is also used to steer the horse.
You would know better than me, but give how tough a horse's hide is, I always thought the whip didn't hurt them at all more just geed them up as you say
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@junior said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
@hooroo said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
They will eventually ban the whip in racing and then there will be more hurt and killed horses on race days.
While they use the whip to gee them up, it is also used to steer the horse.
You would know better than me, but give how tough a horse's hide is, I always thought the whip didn't hurt them at all more just geed them up as you say
Not much good research on this, but earlier studies (of dead horses) suggest it's about the same as humans and that they feel similar pain (quite a bit of conjecture on this).
On the whip thing, I agree with Hooroo, but I think the only study so far (UK) compared apprentice races (no whips allowed) versus regular races, and found no difference in 'steering' issues.
All in all, the whip will be banned. On the topic of this thread, if that girl had a stick in her hand and had ridden the thing a bit more, I imagine she would have got it off the bank without Toddy giving it a tune up.
Edit: summary of those studies here. The 'deductions' may be correct but the conclusions are pretty far from the findings.
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@junior said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
@hooroo said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
They will eventually ban the whip in racing and then there will be more hurt and killed horses on race days.
While they use the whip to gee them up, it is also used to steer the horse.
You would know better than me, but give how tough a horse's hide is, I always thought the whip didn't hurt them at all more just geed them up as you say
It depends on the Jockey but yeah, a "good" jockey can leave a mark.
You often see jockey change the whip to the other hand to straighten the horse or to stop it veering into the rail.
It takes a lot to inflict harm to a horse though.
@gt12 I don't love the apprentice scenario of the study. They need to use pro jockeys do this and see. Apprentices are still learning the trade and are hesitant.
I don't think Whips should be banned. I like what they are doing now by decreasing the number of times they can be hit. My absolutely hatiest is when you see a jockey hitting a horse that is at the rear of the pack and going backwards with no chance of running in top 4 or 5. To me it looks like they are taking it out on the horse after a shit ride on their part.
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Storm in a teacup for the easily outraged.
Funny how people who have probably never dealt with, trained or had to coerce a large beast to do something are supposedly better informed than someone who has spent their life and career doing just that.
Absolutely there are lines that shouldn't be crossed but if that is the short sharp and effective way of teaching that horse not to stop at a drop into water then the safety of riders and the horse has been achieved.
There are far worse practices around and I know that riders like Todd are some of the first to call people out when they see them. For example it used to be quite common for some riders to deliberately hit the horses shins before showjumping to make them want to lift their legs and not hit rails. AFAIK that practice is stamped out now from riders themselves declaring it unacceptable and making stewards deal with in it the warmup area. -
@crucial said in Mark Todd - Horse Beater:
Storm in a teacup for the easily outraged.
Funny how people who have probably never dealt with, trained or had to coerce a large beast to do something are supposedly better informed than someone who has spent their life and career doing just that.
This can be extrapolated to just about every scenario/profession. People think they know more than those who actually do the job.
