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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Winter is Coming:
We should prepare for winter by letting omicron spread in the height of Summer.....
you just want nanna to die you fucking fascist
One of my Nana's died in 1960 and the other in 1993.
Could they be the first Covid deaths?
Come to think of it my maternal grandad dies of pneumonia in 1936. I say that's a definite died with Covid case.
i can be callous my last grandparent died some 16 years ago
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Serious question here regarding the protest targets in Welly.
I don't get the attacks on the media. The whole'media are lying', 'Media are the problem' stuff.
I get the link with the whole disenfranchised feelings that people have grasped onto and copied from other countries. Are they just parroting supporters of the ex-POTUS? I ask because I cannot see what the media have done in NZ to deserve that tag.
I'm not looking for a fight, just confused as even so called leftie media daily takes the govt to task with questions. I can point to daily articles that point non mainstream views. An example today is highlighting the over reach of a judge who attacked a defendant over their vax status.
What the media have been doing is pointing out fact AND calling out misinformation. That's not political. That's doing their job.
I seems that anyone that doesn't agree with the misinformed must therefore be taking sides rather than being truthful. It can hardly even be put down to opinion as it is opinion with no factual basis.
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Just checking in to see how the Black Plague is going in NZ. Are hospitals overflowing with rotting corpses in the streets? Or is not as bad as the soothesayers predicted?
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Daughter forgot her mask today, remembered at school gate, I told her to ask for one at office or wherever.
Talking this evening, apparently her class it is just voluntary, already. If she forgets it is ok, most are not wearing one.
I'm pleasantly surprised at that.
It's only the 5th day of the term.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Serious question here regarding the protest targets in Welly.
I don't get the attacks on the media. The whole'media are lying', 'Media are the problem' stuff.
I get the link with the whole disenfranchised feelings that people have grasped onto and copied from other countries. Are they just parroting supporters of the ex-POTUS? I ask because I cannot see what the media have done in NZ to deserve that tag.
I'm not looking for a fight, just confused as even so called leftie media daily takes the govt to task with questions. I can point to daily articles that point non mainstream views. An example today is highlighting the over reach of a judge who attacked a defendant over their vax status.
What the media have been doing is pointing out fact AND calling out misinformation. That's not political. That's doing their job.
I seems that anyone that doesn't agree with the misinformed must therefore be taking sides rather than being truthful. It can hardly even be put down to opinion as it is opinion with no factual basis.
I can't comment on what what it seems like internal, but looking externally you would need to define fact as
- The rest of the planet is burning.
- Ardern answers to questions need not be queried as they are always 100% spot on
- No need to define what Expert means, other than somebody who agreed with Jacinda
4.The world always reacts with NZ in a positive light
It's only very recently (1-2 weeks) that the Herald doesn't have 2 stories in the top 10, one of which how NZ numbers are reducing, and another how a health system somewhere has basically collapsed.
It has been a spot on performance in trying to control the population through propaganda which I think will form the basis of many a Social Study over the coming the years.
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Just checking in to see how the Black Plague is going in NZ. Are hospitals overflowing with rotting corpses in the streets? Or is not as bad as the soothesayers predicted?
Much to the disappointment of the modellers and epidemiologists, no. But the fear is holding us back and it feels like we are just kicking the can down the road. Time to let the handbrake off
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Serious question here regarding the protest targets in Welly.
I don't get the attacks on the media. The whole'media are lying', 'Media are the problem' stuff.
I get the link with the whole disenfranchised feelings that people have grasped onto and copied from other countries. Are they just parroting supporters of the ex-POTUS? I ask because I cannot see what the media have done in NZ to deserve that tag.
I'm not looking for a fight, just confused as even so called leftie media daily takes the govt to task with questions. I can point to daily articles that point non mainstream views. An example today is highlighting the over reach of a judge who attacked a defendant over their vax status.
What the media have been doing is pointing out fact AND calling out misinformation. That's not political. That's doing their job.
I seems that anyone that doesn't agree with the misinformed must therefore be taking sides rather than being truthful. It can hardly even be put down to opinion as it is opinion with no factual basis.
I can't comment on what what it seems like internal, but looking externally you would need to define fact as
- The rest of the planet is burning.
- Ardern answers to questions need not be queried as they are always 100% spot on
- No need to define what Expert means, other than somebody who agreed with Jacinda
4.The world always reacts with NZ in a positive light
It's only very recently (1-2 weeks) that the Herald doesn't have 2 stories in the top 10, one of which how NZ numbers are reducing, and another how a health system somewhere has basically collapsed.
It has been a spot on performance in trying to control the population through propaganda which I think will form the basis of many a Social Study over the coming the years.
Point 2 is utterly incorrect. I think you may be getting your external views from comment on here?
She may be dodging answers or bullshitting but it’s not from lack of questions from media. Proof in every post conference session, every radio/TV interview. Questions are being asked and answers not always accepted.
Can they pin her down until she breaks? No. Are they fawning? Also no.I just don’t see why “the media” is copping it myself.
Even the much maligned Stuff is tripping over itself in trying to provide a balanced view.
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@crucial there has been a bit of a shift lately. Very much In line with the poles
But up until Auckland got completely fed up with lockdown it was very much one sided. The question time was pointless.
There was very little discussion of any studies that showed the vaccines ineffectiveness on transmission, a huge tick against mandates, which I would say is a massive reason for their angst as they are anti mandate protestors.
You have the pm saying delta will find the unvacvinated like some scary movie and no one bats an eye.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial I'll call bullshit on stuff. Their stock in trade is rolling out a procession of covid19 "experts" who try to propagate fear
Everyone rolls out these so called experts. I’m sick to death of them especially as they are commenting from outside of the circle and not party to the actual decisions and models.
They make easy press though.
Pretty sure that all those stories include the word “opinion”.
I’ve read plenty disputing each other’s view as well.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial I'll call bullshit on stuff. Their stock in trade is rolling out a procession of covid19 "experts" who try to propagate fear
Everyone rolls out these so called experts. I’m sick to death of them especially as they are commenting from outside of the circle and not party to the actual decisions and models.
They make easy press though.
Pretty sure that all those stories include the word “opinion”.
I’ve read plenty disputing each other’s view as well.
I’m not claiming that media don’t click bait just that they aren’t in some conspiracy with the govt.Conspiracy sounds a bit strong. But up until lately I think it's fair to say the government have had a very sweet ride. And even now the dissenters don't seem to gain much impact
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial I'll call bullshit on stuff. Their stock in trade is rolling out a procession of covid19 "experts" who try to propagate fear
Everyone rolls out these so called experts. I’m sick to death of them especially as they are commenting from outside of the circle and not party to the actual decisions and models.
They make easy press though.
Pretty sure that all those stories include the word “opinion”.
I’ve read plenty disputing each other’s view as well.
I’m not claiming that media don’t click bait just that they aren’t in some conspiracy with the govt.Conspiracy sounds a bit strong. But up until lately I think it's fair to say the government have had a very sweet ride. And even now the dissenters don't seem to gain much impact
That was my point. I know that the protesting mob base much of what they say on misinformation but what I don’t get is how they can claim that the media has set out to tell lies and be complicit. It just makes no sense except that the media doesn’t present the looney theories as true.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Point 2 is utterly incorrect. I think you may be getting your external views from comment on here?
No, I get my views from what I read every single morning over the last 2 years we've been through this pandemic.
She may be dodging answers or bullshitting but it’s not from lack of questions from media. Proof in every post conference session, every radio/TV interview. Questions are being asked and answers not always accepted.
I think we look at things through different glasses. She faces nothing like any other politician has faced. Nothing.
Can they pin her down until she breaks? No. Are they fawning? Also no.
This is a joke right? NZ media not fawning of Jacinda? Get real Crucial.
I just don’t see why “the media” is copping it myself.
Even the much maligned Stuff is tripping over itself in trying to provide a balanced view.
Reporting what the PM says doesn’t necessarily mean siding with her. It’s their job to report.You seem to be talking about right now. That's very very different to the past year. It has changed somewhat over the last few weeks, nobody is denying that.
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Everyone rolls out these so called experts. I’m sick to death of them especially as they are commenting from outside of the circle and not party to the actual decisions and models.
They make easy press though.They are splashed all over the front pages pretty much so every morning. And they all give the same message. That the NZ government is spot on in everything.
Pretty sure that all those stories include the word “opinion”.
I’ve read plenty disputing each other’s view as well.I'm not arguing with any of the above. There are opinion pieces which question the government. There are opinion pieces on each side of the ledger too. Lets not pretend they are split evenly though.
I’m not claiming that media don’t click bait just that they aren’t in some conspiracy with the govt.
Conspiracy is quite a word. They are very supportive of the government and what they say - that is not even up for question. Why that is, will be analysed in the future I guess.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I don't get the attacks on the media. The whole'media are lying', 'Media are the problem' stuff.
The media hyperbolise, make stuff up or hide stuff to ensure support for their preferred politician or viewpoint and/or demonise those they don't like For example, newspapers spiking stories on the Wuhan Lab theory in case they're seen to support Trump. People notice these thngs.
And anyone who questions the integrity of the media is more often than not called a conspiracy theorist, populist or stupid by the same media.
What the media have been doing is pointing out fact AND calling out misinformation. That's not political. That's doing their job.
That depends on who's paying them
I ask because I cannot see what the media have done in NZ to deserve that tag.
This is from The Guardian New Zealand. I've posted the last two paragraphs. The last para is a humdinger of a reasoned, unbiased, fact-based world view.
But what distinguishes Ardern and her Labour government’s time in power is that she has been forced to confront a series of rolling crises. The virus chief among them. Her successful handling of the outbreaks in 2020 saw her secure the first mixed-member proportional representation majority at the 2020 election. Her somewhat successful handling of the latest outbreak means her numbers remain relatively robust. This is an achievement in itself when the virus is slowly spreading across the country, the vaccine mandate begins to bite as a small number of people lose their jobs, and more people than at any other point in the last ten years are uncertain about the country’s future direction. Former president Donald Trump, British prime minister Boris Johnson, Italy’s Matteo Salvini, Hungary’s Viktor Orbán, Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro, and their contemporaries across the world are reactionaries and authoritarians even the most committed accelerationist would struggle to invent. But where their respective countries can offer nothing more than the exhausted rearguard of radical centrism – president Joe Biden, UK Labour leader Keir Starmer, and so on – New Zealand offers a straight up social democrat. Ardern is imperfect, and her government usually struggles to implement its agenda, whether housebuilding or climate change action. But one aspect where the prime minister and her government excel is dealing with an immediate crisis. For that, most New Zealanders are thankful. And for the time being, the polls will hold because of it.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I don't get the Jacinda praise for Covid.
All she did is lockdown an island nation over and over.
Big whoop.Agree. (except the nation has only been locked down once)
I think the early praise when less was known about the virus was partially warranted. We had a long period being one of the few 'normal' places to live.
Management of things since then has been a case of making it up as we go along. Some good, some bad.
Vax rollout although slow starting has been very well done with %s way above those predicted and I guess a big part of that was people buying in to the approach.
Border management has been a mess from the start.Hard to know how an another govt would have feared/ I guess the Nats may have been more like the UK. More desire to get things 'unlocked' but along with that would come pressure on health services and more deaths. There may have been more yo-yoing in and out of restrictions as infection rates got to more than we can hande.
I guess that's the big difference between this govts approach and much of the world. They are fixated on trying to stop things from happening while others have let things happen then acted on them.
Whether that is the right approach probably depends on your personal mindset which is why it divides down political lines.
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