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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.
Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.No one likes a show off.
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Phil Taylor. 16 world championships, plus carried far more weight to height than most of the above mentioned, 19 stones of dart-pushing momentum on a 5 foot 8 or so frame. Heavier than 6"6' Anthony Joshua at his flabbiest peak.
Edit: I guess my cryptic point is it would be interesting and useful to have some meta-criteria so out there "sports" like darts are considered or not on an equal footing...
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@nostrildamus said in GOAT:
Phil Taylor. 16 world championships, plus carried far more weight to height than most of the above mentioned, 19 stones of dart-pushing momentum on a 5 foot 8 or so frame. Heavier than 6"6' Anthony Joshua at his flabbiest peak.
Edit: I guess my cryptic point is it would be interesting and useful to have some meta-criteria so out there "sports" like darts are considered or not on an equal footing...
That's an interesting point. Someone once said Damon Hill was the greatest development driver he had ever seen in Formula One, who could tune a good car into a truly great one better than anyone, but was an average racing driver.
That's a great skill, but is it a truly sporting skill?
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
Max Woosnan. No-one else comes close for being top in so many sports.
Among his achievements were winning an Olympic gold and silver in tennis at the 1920 Summer Olympics, winning the doubles at Wimbledon, compiling a 147 break in snooker, making a century at Lord's Cricket Ground, captaining the British Davis Cup team, captaining Manchester City F.C. finishing ultimately runners-up for the Football League Championship in 1920–21, and captaining the England national football team.If we're talking about achievements across a variety of sport, the CB Fry must get a mention. International cricketer, 94 first class centuries including 6 on the trot, world long jump record holder, England international footballer, FA Cup finalist, a handy first class rugby player (Blackheath). More importantly he was asked to become King of Albani but turned it down.
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@catogrande said in GOAT:
If we're talking about achievements across a variety of sport, the CB Fry must get a mention. International cricketer, 94 first class centuries including 6 on the trot, world long jump record holder, England international footballer, FA Cup finalist, a handy first class rugby player (Blackheath). More importantly he was asked to become King of Albani but turned it down.
And Denis Compton. That era seemed to have a number of people like that - Martin Donnelly as well who played Test rugby for England (who were poaching even then.....
)In the modern era, Jeff Wilson and Andy Ripley spring to mind.
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Steve Redgrave? Gold medals at 5 consecutive Olympics (and a bronze) plus 9x World Champs.
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See @MN5 has mentioned cricket GOATs Bradman and Tendulkar, but being @MN5 seems to have overstepped the mark, managed to miss the point and get deleted...
... but when you're considering GOATs you've got to consider these two.
Cricket is a fucking HUUUGE sport in terms of support because India...
Bradman first obviously. Tendulkar some way behind.
Bradman obviously not our lifetime, but Tendulkar worth consideration.
Not quite sure what I did but you’ve pretty much made whatever point I was going to make…..I’m not entirely sure Tendulkar was the absolute best of his generation though let alone ever. 200 tests is a wonderful effort though.
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@mikethesnow said in GOAT:
Ali
Transcended his sport
Plus fought EVERYONE, didn’t duck a single top fighter of his era, not perfect though, he still lost to Norton and Frazier relatively early in his career ( but then Foreman destroyed both of them who Ali beat )
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My top ten would be (in no particular order)
Slater
Jordan
Nicklaus
O'Sullivan
Bradman
Brady
Hamish Bond (Massive Bias there)
Gretsky
Lance Armstrong
(Space for one other as I ponder it)Bolt?
Bearing in mind that this is a personal list and totally subjective, I struggle with Runners and Swimmers as I was thinking Phelps too.
Yet Bolt is still the fastest man
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My top ten would be (in no particular order)
Slater
Jordan
Nicklaus
O'Sullivan
Bradman
Brady
Hamish Bond (Massive Bias there)
Gretsky
Lance Armstrong
(Space for one other as I ponder it)Carl Lewis? 9 Gold medals in the Olympics inc. the same individual event at 4 consecutive Games.
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@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
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@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
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@victor-meldrew said in GOAT:
@victor-meldrew Carl Lewis' chemist, Armstrong's pharmacologist
I thought he (Lewis) was cleared after it was shown any stimulants taken were inadvertent.
I don't believe the United States Olympic Committee (USOC) were particularly harsh in those days regarding positive drug tests.
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