All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
NZ hookers - again, these are the stats one might expect to see over an 80 min game based on their output in the Super Rugby competitions last year. Actual mins played (as best as I can calculate it) is included on the far right.
Frustratingly, they have "Throws Won" but not "Throws Lost".
The crucial number to me there is the minutes played of Taylor.
The starting AB hooker gets the most minutes of any hooker in NZ when he has the highest workload all hookers in NZ.
It's not surprising he's not at his best in a black jersey when his coach is running him into the ground during Super rugby.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
According to these stats, Liam Coltman is the best L.O. thrower in NZ ...
No according to those stats show who had the most efficient lineout. Does it give stats on which lineouts were won and lost on missed lifts in lineout, where the lineout target simply missed ball, or opposition jumper remembered to get up higher and in front of the target? It amazes me how many people assume a lost lineout on own throw is the hooker's fault, another reason I say stats are a waste of time abd good for people who don't watch game properly!
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@dan54 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@cgrant said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
According to these stats, Liam Coltman is the best L.O. thrower in NZ ...
No according to those stats show who had the most efficient lineout. Does it give stats on which lineouts were won and lost on missed lifts in lineout, where the lineout target simply missed ball, or opposition jumper remembered to get up higher and in front of the target? It amazes me how many people assume a lost lineout on own throw is the hooker's fault, another reason I say stats are a waste of time abd good for people who don't watch game properly!
It also only talks avoyt the number of lineout won, not the percentage. It could just be that the Highlanders play a game plan thst forces the opposition to kick more often, which would mean more lineouts
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Edit: Added Josh Lord, GCT and Patty T in
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
Which is a bit bizarre given Strange and Dunshea have both spent time in All Blacks camps (or were named for a camp - I think one of them might've gotten injured first?), and they can definitely afford to rotate in that position
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@tim said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 Thanks! The ball carrying stats make it clear that GCT and Pat T will be hard for the Blues to replace. May have to adjust their attacking plans.
Particularly in close-quarters. I feel Robinson and Tucker, while both being good ball carriers, are generally a little more effective out wide.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
Looks like Razor is intentionally overplaying the All Blacks so they're too tired for the Test season to spite the NZR for not choosing him as head coach....
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@bovidae said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 I am surprised that Josh Lord played that many minutes as he only played a handful of games and went off injured early against the Rebels.
I've just double checked my time calculation, just in case, and it is looking okay (I wouldn't bother, but I definitely had some questionable numbers coming out earlier on) He had 5 games, 3 in Trans- Ta$man, 2 in Aotearoa. In the Trans- Ta$man he had 80 mins, 70mins and 3 min games. In the Aotearoa comp he had an 80 min game and a 43 game. The 43 min game is the only one I haven't verified was calculated correctly, as the official SR website is a little too slow.
So I guess, while he has played few games, they like to leave him on for most of it. Probably makes some sense when you look at their other locking options given all the injuries they had towards the end of the season.
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@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@gt12 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bobily2 said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Probably worth mentioning if a player has been swapped between lock and loose forward, this will include all his games, no matter what position. I'll include these players under both the locks and loose forward breakdowns.
I'll probably group blindside and No.8 together for the next post, and provide openside separately.
Nice to see my theory about the Saders being shown in the stats again.
Whitelock and Barrett carrying the load, and our senior All Blacks being overplayed in Super rugby.
Which is a bit bizarre given Strange and Dunshea have both spent time in All Blacks camps (or were named for a camp - I think one of them might've gotten injured first?), and they can definitely afford to rotate in that position
Absolutely, but they don't really use all of their squad - they rely on Taylor, Whitelock, Barrett, Mo'unga, and Havili especially (and Goodhue when he is fit).
The only real rotation happens with the outsides.
At hooker and first five, we hardly see their 2nd choice, let alone their third choice. I think that is quite different to every other team (except perhaps the Landers who probably don't have the depth).
