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@catogrande said in US Politics:
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@voodoo said in US Politics:
In very simplistic terms, I thought Trump did a fair bit better than expected on foreign policy, and about as awful as expected on domestic stuff.
Tough gig, but being a piston wristed gibbon doesn't help your profile.
I agree with this, partly because I kinda expected WW III to be a likely outcome of a Trump Presidency.
In the end he wasn't quite as much of a disaster as I expected.
In contrast, Biden is waay worse than I thought he could be.
Liberal media did quite a number on you (perhaps).
I dunno, sounded quite a balanced POV to be fair.
Drinking the kool-aid too I see
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I agree that the reporting was a lot more friendly, but also I struggle to remember much from Obama that was anywhere near as inflammatory as some of the stuff Trump said at his rallies and in general. Mind you, I struggle to remember much about Obama. He was something of a Nebbish President for me. Lauded for being the first POC President but not much else.
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@bones said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@frank said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
@voodoo said in US Politics:
In very simplistic terms, I thought Trump did a fair bit better than expected on foreign policy, and about as awful as expected on domestic stuff.
Tough gig, but being a piston wristed gibbon doesn't help your profile.
I agree with this, partly because I kinda expected WW III to be a likely outcome of a Trump Presidency.
In the end he wasn't quite as much of a disaster as I expected.
In contrast, Biden is waay worse than I thought he could be.
Liberal media did quite a number on you (perhaps).
I dunno, sounded quite a balanced POV to be fair.
Drinking the kool-aid too I see
It’s only kool-ade if it’s to do with MSM. If it’s from nut-job online echo chambers that’s valid research.
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@catogrande I think the most pertinent point is I'm a mong when it comes to spelling kool-ade.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
I struggle to remember much from Obama that was anywhere near as inflammatory as some of the stuff Trump said at his rallies and in general.
It wasn't as bombastic (a Trump supporter would, of course, say Trump was just more honest) but was as equally hostile towards those who didn't vote for him or who disagreed with his "progressive" politics.
By a big margin, the worst US president in my lifetime. Preening, weak on foreign policy, wedded to dogma rather than pragmatism - and possibly even more divisive than Trump
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@frank said in US Politics:
Bill Clinton - the corporate democrat that he was and his subsequent
pay-offs by them to his "foundation". I think we all know his
motives.I think Clinton did OK overall. Putting aside his obvious sexual peccadillos, he was strong on Foreign policy, free trade and the economy in general. He didn't use divisiveness as a political tool like Obama & Trump did and tried to reach out across the political divide.
His big black mark was the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and the poor financial services regulation that ensued - though Dubya shares the blame for that too.
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I had to look up Glass-Steagal, I just knew it as financial de-regulation at the time. I don’t know if you’re aware but the BoE have satellite offices around the country, doing localised reconnaissance work, providing guidance and what have you. I’ve been to a few of their presentations, many of them around 2008/9 🙄
Anyway, the point I’m getting to is that following de-regulation and the intertwining of retail and investment banking, the ridiculously low levels of liquidity imposed upon the US banks was frightening. As opposed to the UK imposed limits which were…
… non-existent! Basically it was an old boys club agreement to “do the right thing”.
Anyway, de-regulation worked very well. For a while…
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
Anyway, de-regulation worked very well. For a while…
There was actually more regulation than ever before - just that it was utterly ineffective and, from experience, done by people who knew bugger-all about the finance business. Was in Citigroup at the time. But hey, why worry when you're raking billions in tax from Banker's bonuses, getting campaign contributions and you have Basel III to console you?
Many, many people were warning what would happen but were ignored.
As opposed to the UK imposed limits which were…
The financial idiots - lauded in the UK at the time as geniuses - were simply borrowing cheap money and selling it on as mortgages in an inflated property market. It was great fun until the supply of cheap credit dried up.
(The UK had the advantage of Northern Rock as a warning. Gordon the Moron effectively ignored it)
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@bones said in US Politics:
@catogrande I think the most pertinent point is I'm a mong when it comes to spelling kool-ade.
Strictly speaking it's Flavor Aid.
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I continue to be disappointed by Biden and his team. His and Kamala's 1/6 speeches a case in point.
Instead of drawing disparate groups together they continue to drive the wedge between the two sides of the political divide.
Perhaps they do actually believe that the surest way to heal wounds is to tell those people that everything you believe is evil, and you are a bad person, and we will do everything we can to minimise your beliefs.
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@booboo said in US Politics:
I continue to be disappointed by Biden and his team. His and Kamala's 1/6 speeches a case in point.
Harris is doing a wonderful job and criticism of her is fuelled by racism and sexism according to the White House
Perhaps they do actually believe that the surest way to heal wounds is to tell those people that everything you believe is evil, and you are a bad person, and we will do everything we can to minimise your beliefs.
I think the problem might be they see themselves as so virtuous and righteous that anyone who criticises them must be either ignorant or evil. They come across at times as a weird cult like MAGA.
It's a mess.
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@victor-meldrew 'Mr. Schoen is founder and partner in Schoen Cooperman Research, a polling and consulting firm whose past clients include Bill Clinton'
I think we can add current clients include Bill and Hillary.
What a good way to ensure that Trump runs again.
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@tim I look at this, the tales of woe coming from San Francisco, blackouts, economic migration of companies and high net worth individuals to other States, and it's not difficult to see California is becoming a failed State. Not bad considering it was the world's 5th biggest economy in 2020.
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