All Blacks 2022
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The JABs were very short-lived. Foster and Cooper were the co-coaches in 2005-07 and 2009.
Hurricanes head coach Colin Cooper and his Chiefs counterpart Ian Foster have been reappointed as coaches of the Junior All Blacks.
Cooper and Foster have been at the helm as the Junior All Blacks have remained unbeaten since being reinstituted in 2005 as New Zealand's second national team.
They coached the team to a 2-0 series win against Australia A in 2005, the team won the inaugural Pacific Five Nations tournament in 2006 and then the expanded Pacific Nations Cup in 2007. The Junior All Blacks will this year contest the Pacific Nations Cup against Samoa, Japan, Tonga and Fiji.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
That would make for a fun yearly series, here one year and away the next.
We should also send the AB XV to the states etc at the end of year, and have the top team play fewer of those shittier tests.
Yep, and it would be good to have a real second tier team again instead of shoe-horning the Maori to be it.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
That would make for a fun yearly series, here one year and away the next.
We should also send the AB XV to the states etc at the end of year, and have the top team play fewer of those shittier tests.
Yep, and it would be good to have a real second tier team again instead of shoe-horning the Maori to be it.
I think we have also been careful around having a 'proper' second team due to eligibility rules. Playing for the official 2nds locked you in and players weren't too keen on that (understandably). An early trial selection and discard could really fuck up your future.
That has been slightly alleviated with the new rules.
Last time I looked the JABs were still our nominated team but I think that you can't pretend that is the case if you regularly play a AB XV as development. WR would step in and make us change the designation I suspect. -
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
That would make for a fun yearly series, here one year and away the next.
We should also send the AB XV to the states etc at the end of year, and have the top team play fewer of those shittier tests.
Yep, and it would be good to have a real second tier team again instead of shoe-horning the Maori to be it.
I think we have also been careful around having a 'proper' second team due to eligibility rules. Playing for the official 2nds locked you in and players weren't too keen on that (understandably). An early trial selection and discard could really fuck up your future.
That has been slightly alleviated with the new rules.
Last time I looked the JABs were still our nominated team but I think that you can't pretend that is the case if you regularly play a AB XV as development. WR would step in and make us change the designation I suspect.We can declare which ever second team we want, within reason, I think. And can take it off, I wonder if NZR has already removed it
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:
That would make for a fun yearly series, here one year and away the next.
We should also send the AB XV to the states etc at the end of year, and have the top team play fewer of those shittier tests.
Yep, and it would be good to have a real second tier team again instead of shoe-horning the Maori to be it.
I think we have also been careful around having a 'proper' second team due to eligibility rules. Playing for the official 2nds locked you in and players weren't too keen on that (understandably). An early trial selection and discard could really fuck up your future.
That has been slightly alleviated with the new rules.
Last time I looked the JABs were still our nominated team but I think that you can't pretend that is the case if you regularly play a AB XV as development. WR would step in and make us change the designation I suspect.We can declare which ever second team we want, within reason, I think. And can take it off, I wonder if NZR has already removed it
You can change it once a year I think. My point was that if we nominated the JABs then never assembled them but had an obvious regular pathway team in an AB XV then I'd say we'd be asked to change otherwise we are just taking the piss.
Edit: Just found the WR list for 2021 and we didn't nominate a 'next senior team'
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
Probably a good replacement. I've always rated Fox.
Personally think Schmidt is an arsehole, but that's a personal opinion developed as a 13 yo.
He's probably quite good at rugby though.
How did you know him as a 13yr old? I ask because that's almost exactly when I came to know him!
Edit - I think you're a little older than me - my 13yr+ old experience started c. 1990
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Great work securing Schmidty, is it just as selector?
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
Probably a good replacement. I've always rated Fox.
Personally think Schmidt is an arsehole, but that's a personal opinion developed as a 13 yo.
He's probably quite good at rugby though.
How did you know him as a 13yr old? I ask because that's almost exactly when I came to know him!
Edit - I think you're a little older than me - my 13yr+ old experience started c. 1990
Attended 1981 Scout Jamboree in Hastings. He was patrol leader. (Patrols were mixed up from across 'Tararua' (essentially 'Bush' Woodville, Pahiatua, Eketahuna) and Southern Hawkes Bay ( Dannevirke etc.))
(As an aside I recall playing cricket with his brother Andrew who was a nice chap.)
I was was the youngest in patrol (i.e. tent), barely old enough to attend, and therefore the butt of everybody's jokes.
Which was fun.
So he shall always be a piston wristed gibbon for not stopping that.
Not that I hold a grudge...
Mind you he would have been 16, so just a kid himself. Seemed like an adult to me at the time.
Jamboree was awesome though.
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Fuck me drunk.
In the third quarter of the French test, the All Blacks ran a set-piece play that involved Sam Cane peeling off the lineout maul and looking for options inside and out. He opted to carry and set up the first ruck. The supporting All Blacks pack then proceeded to pick-and-go relentlessly at the fringes of the ruck phase-after-phase. They finally found the gain line. They finally found continuity and control. They finally went forward, would you believe it. They worked down to the French goal line before Aaron Smith played two passes, the second of which found Jordie Barrett, who tucked his way over for a try in the left corner. The hints and clues from Sam Cane and Ian Foster in the media following their forensic review suggest that this style of rugby is going to be adopted by the All Blacks going forward. “We are still up there with the best in the world when we get front-foot ball," Cane said of the All Blacks play in Europe. "It only needs to be two or three quick phases and we have got guys who can exploit that." “We almost surprised ourselves how well we went with our pick-and-goes, considering it is not traditionally how we play."
The words you never want to hear from All Blacks leadership have been uttered
The All Blacks‘ inability to move the ball forward in their last two tests of the year against France and Ireland has been scrutinised heavily both inside and outside the camp. ADVERTISEMENT
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Fuck me drunk.
In the third quarter of the French test, the All Blacks ran a set-piece play that involved Sam Cane peeling off the lineout maul and looking for options inside and out. He opted to carry and set up the first ruck. The supporting All Blacks pack then proceeded to pick-and-go relentlessly at the fringes of the ruck phase-after-phase. They finally found the gain line. They finally found continuity and control. They finally went forward, would you believe it. They worked down to the French goal line before Aaron Smith played two passes, the second of which found Jordie Barrett, who tucked his way over for a try in the left corner. The hints and clues from Sam Cane and Ian Foster in the media following their forensic review suggest that this style of rugby is going to be adopted by the All Blacks going forward. “We are still up there with the best in the world when we get front-foot ball," Cane said of the All Blacks play in Europe. "It only needs to be two or three quick phases and we have got guys who can exploit that." “We almost surprised ourselves how well we went with our pick-and-goes, considering it is not traditionally how we play."
The words you never want to hear from All Blacks leadership have been uttered
The All Blacks‘ inability to move the ball forward in their last two tests of the year against France and Ireland has been scrutinised heavily both inside and outside the camp. ADVERTISEMENT
And we didn't notice this?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Fuck me drunk.
In the third quarter of the French test, the All Blacks ran a set-piece play that involved Sam Cane peeling off the lineout maul and looking for options inside and out. He opted to carry and set up the first ruck. The supporting All Blacks pack then proceeded to pick-and-go relentlessly at the fringes of the ruck phase-after-phase. They finally found the gain line. They finally found continuity and control. They finally went forward, would you believe it. They worked down to the French goal line before Aaron Smith played two passes, the second of which found Jordie Barrett, who tucked his way over for a try in the left corner. The hints and clues from Sam Cane and Ian Foster in the media following their forensic review suggest that this style of rugby is going to be adopted by the All Blacks going forward. “We are still up there with the best in the world when we get front-foot ball," Cane said of the All Blacks play in Europe. "It only needs to be two or three quick phases and we have got guys who can exploit that." “We almost surprised ourselves how well we went with our pick-and-goes, considering it is not traditionally how we play."
The words you never want to hear from All Blacks leadership have been uttered
The All Blacks‘ inability to move the ball forward in their last two tests of the year against France and Ireland has been scrutinised heavily both inside and outside the camp. ADVERTISEMENT
And we didn't notice this?
I'm sure I noticed it in the first lions test, is only taken Hansen, foster, and co 4 more years...
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@machpants said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Fuck me drunk.
In the third quarter of the French test, the All Blacks ran a set-piece play that involved Sam Cane peeling off the lineout maul and looking for options inside and out. He opted to carry and set up the first ruck. The supporting All Blacks pack then proceeded to pick-and-go relentlessly at the fringes of the ruck phase-after-phase. They finally found the gain line. They finally found continuity and control. They finally went forward, would you believe it. They worked down to the French goal line before Aaron Smith played two passes, the second of which found Jordie Barrett, who tucked his way over for a try in the left corner. The hints and clues from Sam Cane and Ian Foster in the media following their forensic review suggest that this style of rugby is going to be adopted by the All Blacks going forward. “We are still up there with the best in the world when we get front-foot ball," Cane said of the All Blacks play in Europe. "It only needs to be two or three quick phases and we have got guys who can exploit that." “We almost surprised ourselves how well we went with our pick-and-goes, considering it is not traditionally how we play."
The words you never want to hear from All Blacks leadership have been uttered
The All Blacks‘ inability to move the ball forward in their last two tests of the year against France and Ireland has been scrutinised heavily both inside and outside the camp. ADVERTISEMENT
And we didn't notice this?
I'm sure I noticed it in the first lions test, is only taken Hansen, foster, and co 4 more years...
it's almost like the basics of rugby at any level is true, and you have to earn the right to go wide by sucking in defenders closer.
Pick me for next AB coach!
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
“We are still up there with the best in the world when we get front-foot ball," Cane said of the All Blacks play in Europe.
nothing like aiming high!
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
Fuck me drunk.
That RugbyPass article is such a bloody shit show. Talking about pick and goes as 'brain dead rugby'. Ben Smith and I fundamentally disagree on this. Imposing forward dominance around the ruck creates space outside. It's exactly the opposite of brain dead rugby - trying to spin it wide early is the kind of brain dead play we've seen too much of from the ABs this year.
The comments from Foster and Cane don't suggest that they are going to go 'full monty' towards braindead rugby, and that only 'two or three phases' of the tight stuff might solve the gain line issue, but given the inability of this side to run a decent attacking shape it won't make a difference unless fundamental details are addressed.
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