NZ tour of India
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@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Send them back out there again. We might be five down again by the close of play.
Have to play aggressively on that wkt or out for 62 again.
They are in 2 minds defend or be positive,Use your feet set up on off stump a bit more too the offies to break up their length a bit,
Can’t play with hard hands on the crease line to the ball spinning that much .Yes, there was definitely some lead feet out there
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Talk about highs and lows - from Patel's record effort to another record effort with the bat as NZ is dismissed for the lowest test innings total against India.
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@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
And Jamieson has a big swing and that's that.
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
You will find Williamson has a massive say in selections, in fact the driving force in selecting the team more than Stead.
Then the non playing Captain also has a bit to answer for.
A mate of mine who I do a lot of coaching with here in Australia when he is here,
Has a coaching role within the Black caps set up.
He tells me Kane has a strong hand in selections.That's interesting, what other information are you able to tell us?
I'd like to know about coach Stead, is he highly regarded at all, or just fortunate to inherit a Golden generation of NZ players?
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@kiwi_expat said in NZ tour of India:
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
And Jamieson has a big swing and that's that.
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
You will find Williamson has a massive say in selections, in fact the driving force in selecting the team more than Stead.
Then the non playing Captain also has a bit to answer for.
A mate of mine who I do a lot of coaching with here in Australia when he is here,
Has a coaching role within the Black caps set up.
He tells me Kane has a strong hand in selections.That's interesting, what other information can you tell us?
I'd like to know about coach Stead, is he highly regarded at all, or just fortunate to inherit a Golden generation of NZ players?
I think he is good as a man manager,I know my mate likes working with him.
Kane has a strong say in things as it should be.
In cricket the Captains weld a lot of power.
Once Kane hits the field it’s his show. -
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@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@kiwi_expat said in NZ tour of India:
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
And Jamieson has a big swing and that's that.
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
You will find Williamson has a massive say in selections, in fact the driving force in selecting the team more than Stead.
Then the non playing Captain also has a bit to answer for.
A mate of mine who I do a lot of coaching with here in Australia when he is here,
Has a coaching role within the Black caps set up.
He tells me Kane has a strong hand in selections.That's interesting, what other information can you tell us?
I'd like to know about coach Stead, is he highly regarded at all, or just fortunate to inherit a Golden generation of NZ players?
I think he is good as a man manager,I know my mate likes working with him.
Kane has a strong say in things as it should be.
In cricket the Captains weld a lot of power.
Once Kane hits the field it’s his show.Really, so what do you know about the internal rift that developed within camp with how Stead very poorly 'managed' his players for the SCG test by dropping his most effective bowler against the Aussies in Southee? I think he's a supremely average coach who's considerably out of his depth at the international level.
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I have no doubt Kane is picking his XIs. But the central contracting and squad selection is Larsen/Stead and that is where most of the issues have been.
I'd be curious to know how Stead rates I'm Kane's mind after work with Gillespie at Yorkshire and Bayliss at SRH.
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@kiwi_expat said in NZ tour of India:
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@kiwi_expat said in NZ tour of India:
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
And Jamieson has a big swing and that's that.
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
You will find Williamson has a massive say in selections, in fact the driving force in selecting the team more than Stead.
Then the non playing Captain also has a bit to answer for.
A mate of mine who I do a lot of coaching with here in Australia when he is here,
Has a coaching role within the Black caps set up.
He tells me Kane has a strong hand in selections.That's interesting, what other information can you tell us?
I'd like to know about coach Stead, is he highly regarded at all, or just fortunate to inherit a Golden generation of NZ players?
I think he is good as a man manager,I know my mate likes working with him.
Kane has a strong say in things as it should be.
In cricket the Captains weld a lot of power.
Once Kane hits the field it’s his show.Really, so what do you know about the internal rift that developed within camp with how Stead very poorly 'managed' his players for the SCG test by dropping his most effective bowler against the Aussies in Southee? I think he's a supremely average coach who's considerably out of his depth at the international level.
Southee made himself unavailable after Stead made Latham skipper for the match.
And for the 1000th time, have a look at when Southee took his wickets in those two tests.
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@nta said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
62 all out. Fuck a duck that’s embarrassing
FYB!
No one born in NZ has taken a single wicket this test.
You’d think that top order was Hartland, Pocock, Fulton, How and Broom the way they played….
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Good article this. Wisden do some decent stuff when they’re not wanking on about Ben Stokes….
The question for me will be whether this is the start of a truly great career or an average player having one absolutely extraordinary moment……
We’ll see
Ajaz Patel’s 10-for shouldn’t be a total shock from a player on his way to becoming New Zealand’s best after Vettori
Jim Laker, Anil Kumble, Ajaz Patel. Two of the greatest spinners in cricket’s history and a 33-year-old with 29 Test wickets to his name before the start of the second India-New Zealand Test.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Good article this. Wisden do some decent stuff when they’re not wanking on about Ben Stokes….
The question for me will be whether this is the start of a truly great career or an average player having one absolutely extraordinary moment……
We’ll see
Ajaz Patel’s 10-for shouldn’t be a total shock from a player on his way to becoming New Zealand’s best after Vettori
Jim Laker, Anil Kumble, Ajaz Patel. Two of the greatest spinners in cricket’s history and a 33-year-old with 29 Test wickets to his name before the start of the second India-New Zealand Test.
Well, given that is already 33 and can't bat as well as Vettori I don't he'll get the chances required. Given our schedule, there's a good chance he won't play another test until next November.
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@labcat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
Good article this. Wisden do some decent stuff when they’re not wanking on about Ben Stokes….
The question for me will be whether this is the start of a truly great career or an average player having one absolutely extraordinary moment……
We’ll see
Ajaz Patel’s 10-for shouldn’t be a total shock from a player on his way to becoming New Zealand’s best after Vettori
Jim Laker, Anil Kumble, Ajaz Patel. Two of the greatest spinners in cricket’s history and a 33-year-old with 29 Test wickets to his name before the start of the second India-New Zealand Test.
Well, given that is already 33 and can't bat as well as Vettori I don't he'll get the chances required. Given our schedule, there's a good chance he won't play another test until next November.
A full time spinner doesn't justify a spot in NZ tests. If Ravindra can roll his arm over a bit it makes Patel's chances even less
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@kiwi_expat said in NZ tour of India:
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@kiwi_expat said in NZ tour of India:
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
And Jamieson has a big swing and that's that.
@chris said in NZ tour of India:
You will find Williamson has a massive say in selections, in fact the driving force in selecting the team more than Stead.
Then the non playing Captain also has a bit to answer for.
A mate of mine who I do a lot of coaching with here in Australia when he is here,
Has a coaching role within the Black caps set up.
He tells me Kane has a strong hand in selections.That's interesting, what other information can you tell us?
I'd like to know about coach Stead, is he highly regarded at all, or just fortunate to inherit a Golden generation of NZ players?
I think he is good as a man manager,I know my mate likes working with him.
Kane has a strong say in things as it should be.
In cricket the Captains weld a lot of power.
Once Kane hits the field it’s his show.Really, so what do you know about the internal rift that developed within camp with how Stead very poorly 'managed' his players for the SCG test by dropping his most effective bowler against the Aussies in Southee? I think he's a supremely average coach who's considerably out of his depth at the international level.
You mean the dummy spit by Southee when Latham was made Captain and made himself unavailable,Southee wasn’t dropped.
But kept in house. -
I hope Virat doesn't decide to exact some revenge on us for various disappointments we've pushed his way over the last several years.
Our bowlers are going to be on their knees by lunch tomorrow and India can bat all day if they want. They could set us 700 and skittle us in a couple of sessions.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
The question for me will be whether this is the start of a truly great career or an average player having one absolutely extraordinary moment……
We’ll see
Pretty sure it's mainly the latter - but, what shouldn't be underestimated is that this is the Indians at home that he has spun out. Those are great figures for a spinner against India even ignoring the significance of getting all 10.
Would be good if we can mount some 2nd innings resistance, so history won't write it off as a minefield pitch.
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Send them back out there again. We might be five down again by the close of play.
Optimist
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I presume India are going to bat and set a total for us to chase on the second half of day 3 and then days 4 and 5.
What do we think is a realistic target for us to chase down? 550 seems inevitable. Any more than that and it might be beyond us. Even 550 will require a couple of big centuries from our top-middle order.
Still, our path to victory is relatively clear.
