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People are getting a bit pissed off that exit/entry procedures are still really time consuming.
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal except for everyone wearing masks, checking temperatures, and sterilizing hands on entry to a building.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
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There's a lot of articles about how rich countries are failing, as not providing vaccines to poorer Nations which allows new variants to appear. I know NZ has given away half a million to various Pacific Islands, even sent the navy in to do the vax in some. But how much of the lack of vaccination in some poorer countries is to do with not been given Vax, versus resistance/apathy about being vaccinated? South Africa, the probable birthplace of
NuXiOmicron:"I do think that the decision that South Africa is going to have to make is probably around mandatory vaccination," said Mosa Moshabela, professor of public health at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in Durban.
Demand for the vaccine has been so sluggish that the government recently requested slower deliveries to allow it time to use up its current stock of 19 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson shots.
Won't apply everywhere, but that's pretty damning
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@machpants variants are going to happen if the vaccine allows transmission, which it does so there really is nothing to blame here. Just nature doing its work.
another theory is that vaccination during the pandemic encourages mutations.
I wonder how quick well be to stop mandates if this variant A) becomes dominant and is vaccine resistant.
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@machpants variants are going to happen if the vaccine allows transmission, which it does so there really is nothing to blame here. Just nature doing its work.
another theory is that vaccination during the pandemic encourages mutations.
I wonder how quick well be to stop mandates if this variant A) becomes dominant and is vaccine resistant.
Not quite, you will get variants but the rate of change is massively reduced in a fully/mostly vaccinationed population. Less transmission (which vax does) = less variants. Along with the vaccine load of infected vaccinated people being much less.
Mandates will stay as it maybe that our current vaccines are less effective, there will be adapted vaccines out within months.
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@machpants variants are going to happen if the vaccine allows transmission, which it does so there really is nothing to blame here. Just nature doing its work.
another theory is that vaccination during the pandemic encourages mutations.
I wonder how quick well be to stop mandates if this variant A) becomes dominant and is vaccine resistant.
Well SA has 20% Vaccination rate and Africa as a whole 6%, so that kills that theory for (sigh, stupid name) Omnicron.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Omnicron.
so stupid you cant spell it right
Omicron
I refuse.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Omnicron.
so stupid you cant spell it right
Omicron
I refuse.
Racist...... You're obviously a Greek hater
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@machpants Again there is enough evidence that is doesnt to atleast make the official take that it does(reduce transmission) questionable, and even if it does, the numbers of cases we are seeing in highly vaccinated countries is still sky high so chances are mutations will occur.
The viral loads peak at similar levels in everyone. basically how hard would it be to vaccinate 9 billion people vs how much benefit. africa is nto struggling, and argubly this looks like a ""good"mutation
@Kirwan, one data point doesnt kill the theory. mutations obviously happen naturally.
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@machpants Again there is enough evidence that is doesnt to atleast make the official take that it does(reduce transmission) questionable, and even if it does, the numbers of cases we are seeing in highly vaccinated countries is still sky high so chances are mutations will occur.
The viral loads peak at similar levels in everyone. basically how hard would it be to vaccinate 9 billion people vs how much benefit. africa is nto struggling, and argubly this looks like a ""good"mutation
> @Kirwan, one data point doesnt kill the theory. mutations obviously happen naturally.
Haven't any data showing vaccinations cause mutations, have seen the opposite though.
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@kirwan plus so far, the Beta (the UK Variant? when it was rife over there in Dec/Jan) to the Delta variant when it was rampant in India and now the Omicron variant from Southern Africa, all with very low vax rates at the time...plus I think there was a variant from Brazil which didnt seem to do much in the face of Delta
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@kirwan https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/
heres one for ya,
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
I’m on the 5.30 am bus to the Japanese Embassy in London to put my visa application in
Just heard they might close the borders again
We’ll see
If I can get the visa I’ll be heading over ASAP
If not, it’ll be the deep powder of Wales
Fucking politicians losing their shit
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
I’m on the 5.30 am bus to the Japanese Embassy in London to put my visa application in
Just heard they might close the borders again
We’ll see
If I can get the visa I’ll be heading over ASAP
If not, it’ll be the deep powder of Wales
Fucking politicians losing their shit
No new entries was the info I heard released today, but I hope you might make it in mate!
If you do, I'll ask the wife if I can go up to Hokkaido for a lesson.
I just got this today for my 3 year old, so he'll be having his first snowboard fun this year.
https://www.burton.com/blogs/the-burton-blog/burton-handlebar/
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/
heres one for ya,
I read that as less that vaccines allow mutations and more that increased deaths in the hosts (that’s us by the way) reduce the probability of mutations. Not such a good trade off 😳
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@machpants said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a lot of articles about how rich countries are failing, as not providing vaccines to poorer Nations which allows new variants to appear. I know NZ has given away half a million to various Pacific Islands, even sent the navy in to do the vax in some. But how much of the lack of vaccination in some poorer countries is to do with not been given Vax, versus resistance/apathy about being vaccinated? South Africa, the probable birthplace of
NuXiOmicron:"I do think that the decision that South Africa is going to have to make is probably around mandatory vaccination," said Mosa Moshabela, professor of public health at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in Durban.
Demand for the vaccine has been so sluggish that the government recently requested slower deliveries to allow it time to use up its current stock of 19 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson shots.
Won't apply everywhere, but that's pretty damning
I'm really bored of the rich countries have failed the poor/developing narrative being pedalled out on the back of this variant.
It has nothing to do with wealth and everything to do with vaccine take up. And lumping SA in with this is completely absurd.
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