Coronavirus - Overall
-
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Omnicron.
so stupid you cant spell it right
Omicron
I refuse.
-
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Omnicron.
so stupid you cant spell it right
Omicron
I refuse.
Racist...... You're obviously a Greek hater
-
@machpants Again there is enough evidence that is doesnt to atleast make the official take that it does(reduce transmission) questionable, and even if it does, the numbers of cases we are seeing in highly vaccinated countries is still sky high so chances are mutations will occur.
The viral loads peak at similar levels in everyone. basically how hard would it be to vaccinate 9 billion people vs how much benefit. africa is nto struggling, and argubly this looks like a ""good"mutation
@Kirwan, one data point doesnt kill the theory. mutations obviously happen naturally.
-
@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@machpants Again there is enough evidence that is doesnt to atleast make the official take that it does(reduce transmission) questionable, and even if it does, the numbers of cases we are seeing in highly vaccinated countries is still sky high so chances are mutations will occur.
The viral loads peak at similar levels in everyone. basically how hard would it be to vaccinate 9 billion people vs how much benefit. africa is nto struggling, and argubly this looks like a ""good"mutation
> @Kirwan, one data point doesnt kill the theory. mutations obviously happen naturally.
Haven't any data showing vaccinations cause mutations, have seen the opposite though.
-
@kirwan plus so far, the Beta (the UK Variant? when it was rife over there in Dec/Jan) to the Delta variant when it was rampant in India and now the Omicron variant from Southern Africa, all with very low vax rates at the time...plus I think there was a variant from Brazil which didnt seem to do much in the face of Delta
-
@kirwan https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/
heres one for ya,
-
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
I’m on the 5.30 am bus to the Japanese Embassy in London to put my visa application in
Just heard they might close the borders again
We’ll see
If I can get the visa I’ll be heading over ASAP
If not, it’ll be the deep powder of Wales
Fucking politicians losing their shit
-
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
I’m on the 5.30 am bus to the Japanese Embassy in London to put my visa application in
Just heard they might close the borders again
We’ll see
If I can get the visa I’ll be heading over ASAP
If not, it’ll be the deep powder of Wales
Fucking politicians losing their shit
No new entries was the info I heard released today, but I hope you might make it in mate!
If you do, I'll ask the wife if I can go up to Hokkaido for a lesson.
I just got this today for my 3 year old, so he'll be having his first snowboard fun this year.
-
@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4516275/
heres one for ya,
I read that as less that vaccines allow mutations and more that increased deaths in the hosts (that’s us by the way) reduce the probability of mutations. Not such a good trade off 😳
-
@machpants said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a lot of articles about how rich countries are failing, as not providing vaccines to poorer Nations which allows new variants to appear. I know NZ has given away half a million to various Pacific Islands, even sent the navy in to do the vax in some. But how much of the lack of vaccination in some poorer countries is to do with not been given Vax, versus resistance/apathy about being vaccinated? South Africa, the probable birthplace of
NuXiOmicron:"I do think that the decision that South Africa is going to have to make is probably around mandatory vaccination," said Mosa Moshabela, professor of public health at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in Durban.
Demand for the vaccine has been so sluggish that the government recently requested slower deliveries to allow it time to use up its current stock of 19 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson shots.
Won't apply everywhere, but that's pretty damning
I'm really bored of the rich countries have failed the poor/developing narrative being pedalled out on the back of this variant.
It has nothing to do with wealth and everything to do with vaccine take up. And lumping SA in with this is completely absurd.
-
I could have submitted it today but it won’t be seen until they lift the border closure
First review is in a month by which time the Embassy will be closed for Christmas
First sign of opening the borders is 15 January
If I put my application in today they would have my passport until then
And even on 15th there’s no guarantee it will open
Window was too small from 08 - 29 November to get all the paperwork to me and get it processed before shutdown
Silver lining is none of my customers can get in either
They’re rescheduling their trips to Feb
So if we can all get in at least I’ll have work thenBeacons here I come
-
Unlike.
-
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
I’m on the 5.30 am bus to the Japanese Embassy in London to put my visa application in
Just heard they might close the borders again
We’ll see
If I can get the visa I’ll be heading over ASAP
If not, it’ll be the deep powder of Wales
Fucking politicians losing their shit
No new entries was the info I heard released today, but I hope you might make it in mate!
If you do, I'll ask the wife if I can go up to Hokkaido for a lesson.
I just got this today for my 3 year old, so he'll be having his first snowboard fun this year.
Do you drive an Audi:
? -
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On the streets, life is essentially back to normal
small sacrifices really...?
Sorry, by entry/exit I meant international travel (the '3 day' thing turns out to be a bust, as even business travelers can hardly use it).
Daily stuff is second nature now.
I’m on the 5.30 am bus to the Japanese Embassy in London to put my visa application in
Just heard they might close the borders again
We’ll see
If I can get the visa I’ll be heading over ASAP
If not, it’ll be the deep powder of Wales
Fucking politicians losing their shit
No new entries was the info I heard released today, but I hope you might make it in mate!
If you do, I'll ask the wife if I can go up to Hokkaido for a lesson.
I just got this today for my 3 year old, so he'll be having his first snowboard fun this year.
Do you drive an Audi:
?I wish
Trabant
-
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@machpants said in Coronavirus - Overall:
There's a lot of articles about how rich countries are failing, as not providing vaccines to poorer Nations which allows new variants to appear. I know NZ has given away half a million to various Pacific Islands, even sent the navy in to do the vax in some. But how much of the lack of vaccination in some poorer countries is to do with not been given Vax, versus resistance/apathy about being vaccinated? South Africa, the probable birthplace of
NuXiOmicron:"I do think that the decision that South Africa is going to have to make is probably around mandatory vaccination," said Mosa Moshabela, professor of public health at the University of KwaZulu-Natal in Durban.
Demand for the vaccine has been so sluggish that the government recently requested slower deliveries to allow it time to use up its current stock of 19 million doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Johnson & Johnson shots.
Won't apply everywhere, but that's pretty damning
I'm really bored of the rich countries have failed the poor/developing narrative being pedalled out on the back of this variant.
It has nothing to do with wealth and everything to do with vaccine take up. And lumping SA in with this is completely absurd.
You might be right mate.
One consideration though is the liability waivers the pharma companies insist governments provide.
It's believed that part of the vaccine deal is that governments take on the costs and responsibilities for adverse effects.
Pfizer changed tack in South Africa in the article below, and the demands for what you have to put up as insurance to a foreign company are not trivial:
This means that if Pfizer were to be sued by someone who had suffered a rare adverse effect from the vaccine, then the government, not the company, would have to pay for legal costs and compensation. This would apply even if the case were brought due to the company’s own acts of negligence, fraud or malice.
In other negotiations, Pfizer went further. The company required some Latin American governments to put up sovereign assets, including federal bank reserves, embassy buildings or military bases — as a guarantee against indemnifying the cost of future legal cases. This was reported by the Bureau in February and picked up by more than 25 media organisations worldwide.
Pfizer told the Bureau: “Pfizer and BioNTech seek the same kind of indemnity and liability protections they have in the US in all of the countries that have asked to purchase our vaccine, consistent with the applicable local laws.
“In markets that do not have the legal or legislative protections that are available in the US, we work with governments to find mutually agreeable solutions, including contractual indemnity clauses.”
Yousuf Vawda, a professor at the University of KwaZulu-Natal’s law school, said: “While Pfizer appears to have dropped its demand on sovereign assets, it has still insisted on the indemnity and no-fault compensation commitments … Such conduct must be condemned in the strongest terms, as they are holding governments to ransom and delaying the rollout of vaccination.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mg.co.za/news/2021-04-19-pfizer-backs-down-over-unreasonable-terms-in-south-africa-vaccine-deal/%3Famp
(Quite an interesting article)As everyone grapples the realities of the vaccine intervention and the world we're about to live in, I've been curious as to what's in the contracts that our governments have so eagerly signed on our behalf to get free vaccination.
The Australian ones are not available to the public or even politicians who request it, is my knowledge.
You're a man familiar with business and contracts, you ever wondered about these pharma/govt contracts? - Just for fun
-
@siam Pharma contracts are certainly not my forte, and I'm even more sure they aren't the forte of left wing journalists! It's easier to promote baseless outrage than it is to research facts in depth.
Reality is that if you give away a billion vaccines, there is no way that you'll also pass on the indemnity rights. I.e if you give to Eritrea, and an Eritrean gets ill/ dies from the vaccine, is any legal proceedings against the donating country? Or Eritrea.
It doesn't how much is given away, it will never be enough. Ever.
-
@siam if I was offering a potentially lifesaving vaccine, damn straight I'd be demanding a liability waiver as part of the deal. If I was negotiating for the government and that was part of the deal, and it was take it or leave it, I'd take it.
Arguably in NZ it's covered by ACC as a treatment injury anyway.