Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua
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<p>Yeah bets will be on the home boy with a NZ public , that will decide the odds ,<br><br>
Those odds on takam are good odds for the neutral punter</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/80161215/bookmakers-agree-its-jospeh-parker-to-beat-carlos-takam-by-knockout'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/80161215/bookmakers-agree-its-jospeh-parker-to-beat-carlos-takam-by-knockout</a></p>
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<p>Stuff saying the odds are similar all over the world - which they need to be to avoid potential arbitrage.</p> -
Ok , most experts are picking Joseph , <br><br>
But there is an element of the Unknown , it's all based on potential rather than track record .<br><br>
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<p>Every single fight that Parker has is his "Toughest fight yet".....the hype gets pretty obnoxious quickly, that American whose name I've already forgotten was supposed to be a much better challenge than he ultimately was. Takam has a great record and looks in top shape but how many "names" has he beaten ?</p>
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<p>Every single fight that Parker has is his "Toughest fight yet".....the hype gets pretty obnoxious quickly, that American whose name I've already forgotten was supposed to be a much better challenge than he ultimately was. Takam has a great record and looks in top shape but how many "names" has he beaten ?</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://boxrec.com/boxer/355273'>http://boxrec.com/boxer/355273</a></p>
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<p>Nascimento and Botha are overlap with Baby Joseph. Takim beat Nascimento in fewer rounds than JP, but took much longer to put away Botha.</p>
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<p>He lost to Povetkin, who is currently ranked 3rd in the world (behind Fury and Vlad). </p>
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<p>Perez is ranked 22, Thompson 28 - Takim himself is 26 and Joseph is 12.</p>
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<p>Not sure what the highest ranking of anyone has been when JP actually fought him, but no-one he's fought in recent times is currently ranked in the top 50. I think this is his toughest fight to date, but I think he'll win (and win early - I'm saying 2nd round - Joseph to be too young and too fast) - the bookies tell me that and I think Duco would have been pretty careful to choose someone who suits Joseph.</p> -
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<p>Every single fight that Parker has is his "Toughest fight yet".....the hype gets pretty obnoxious quickly, that American whose name I've already forgotten was supposed to be a much better challenge than he ultimately was. Takam has a great record and looks in top shape but how many "names" has he beaten ?</p>
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<p>But it's true, every fight Parker has is his "toughest fight yet". That's how it works, he starts at the bottom and works his way up.</p> -
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<p>But it's true, every fight Parker has is his "toughest fight yet". That's how it works, he starts at the bottom and works his way up.</p>
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<p>Aw yeah, I get that, just the hype machine would have you believe each new guy is some hybrid of Ali/Tyson that's all.</p> -
Yep, your point about the hype still stands.
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<p>Yep, your point about the hype still stands.</p>
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<p>I could be wrong but I don't remember the same level when Tua was in the same position but nowadays it's rife down to the "this guy got in a fight with a bouncer once, he could really trouble SBW" chumps who took on everyones favourite dual code sportsman.</p> -
<p>Apparently Takam challenged JP twice before (last year?) and they knocked him back as they didn't think he was ready...Barry was on the radio this morning, didn't sound as confident as you expect from boxing</p>
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<p>Apparently Takam challenged JP twice before (last year?) and they knocked him back as they didn't think he was ready...Barry was on the radio this morning, didn't sound as confident as you expect from boxing</p>
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<p>Not sure what to make of Barry. I guess it depends whether or not you empathise with Tua or not. Still he beat Evander Holyfield as an amateur back in the day so knows his shit.....</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:8px;">( even though the "beating" involved Holyfield knocking him down after the bell and being disqualified ) </span></p> -
<p>Everyone talking about the JP hype, but checking out that BoxRec site I think there is a fair bit of hype on Takam as well. His last bout went the distance against a 42 year old journeyman who has never fought anyone of note in 70 match ups.</p>
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<p>At least he looks in good condition and here to win, so the fight should be a good challenge but maybe there is a good reason why the experts are picking JP.</p> -
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<p>Not sure what to make of Barry. I guess it depends whether or not you empathise with Tua or not. Still he beat Evander Holyfield as an amateur back in the day so knows his shit.....</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:8px;">( even though the "beating" involved Holyfield knocking him down after the bell and being disqualified ) </span></p>
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<p>The Barry bros have done great things for local up and coming amateurs for years down here.</p>
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<p>That's hardly the extent of his legacy.</p> -
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<p>The Barry bros have done great things for local up and coming amateurs for years down here.</p>
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<p>That's hardly the extent of his legacy.</p>
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<p>No doubt. For a kiwi to compete against someone like Holyfield is a hell of an achievement but the Tua fallout upset quite a few people.</p> -
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<p>No doubt. For a kiwi to compete against someone like Holyfield is a hell of an achievement but the Tua fallout upset quite a few people.</p>
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<p>It did, and to be honest I don't know what happened there.</p>
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<p>My point was that Barry has lived and breathed boxing like very few do in this country.</p>
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<p>He's guided countless amateur fighters to national championships and beyond.</p>
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<p>He also did great things while managing/ training Maselino Masoe and Shumernov. (both world champions)</p>
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<p>If there is an up and coming fighter anywhere in the south, their first point of call would be the Barry Brothers gym.</p> -
He did well to get silver ,,but have you ever watched that fight against Holyfield ? One of the luckiest wins you could ever see . <br><br>
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<p>He did well to get silver ,,but have you ever watched that fight against Holyfield ? One of the luckiest wins you could ever see .<br><br>
Holyfield was completely dominating and was controversely disqualified .</p>
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<p>Totally, but for a kiwi to get to the point of even getting in the ring with Holyfield is huge.</p> -
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<p>He did well to get silver ,,but have you ever watched that fight against Holyfield ? One of the luckiest wins you could ever see .<br><br>
Holyfield was completely dominating and was controversely disqualified .</p>
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<p>No doubt Barry was getting pumped, but Holyfield had been warned 6 times during the fight for punching after the referee had yelled "break"</p>
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Yeah I wasn't trying to take anything away from him , but measured in pure ability , that was a very lucky silver medal. <br><br>
On Takam , dont be fooled this isn't a huge challenge , he is so far in front of the other fighters Joseph has fought it's not funny . <br><br>
Joe has basically been fighting chumps that don't hit back , Takam has the full range of punches high work rate, and goes the distance . <br><br>
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<p>Yeah I wasn't trying to take anything away from him , but measured in pure ability , that was a very lucky silver medal.<br><br>
On Takam , dont be fooled this isn't a huge challenge , he is so far in front of the other fighters Joseph has fought it's not funny .<br><br>
Joe has basically been fighting chumps that don't hit back , <strong>Takam has the full range of punches high work rate, and goes the distance .</strong><br><br>
if Joeseph blows him away his profile goes to a completly new level internationally</p>
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<p>I just don't get how that equates to his recent fights.</p>
