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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    God how do we not have a single decent first 5 in the whole fucking country???

    How did we go from Cruden, Carter, Slade, Sopoaga to this? Really?

    I'm a huge BB fan as a rugby player, but a limited 10. RM we've done to death.

    9s are a similar problem; how hard is it to coach someone getting to rucks quickly and clearing the ball. It seems very very hard.

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    @nzzp Gibson-Park learned how to do it.

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    @nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    How did we go from Cruden, Carter, Slade, Sopoaga to this? Really?

    Two players that hardly set the world on fire

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    The French forwards are going to produce thousands of mauls, so Akira Ioane must start. The Irish game has surely worn out the NZ backrow. I reckon a Ioane - Cane - Sotutu combination could be the most effective (Savea or Paps if Cane is not ready).
    France has the best LH scrummager in the world (Baille). Laulala is poor in the loose but he can scrum. I'd start him and bring Ofa T when Baille is substitued.

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    @act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    How did we go from Cruden, Carter, Slade, Sopoaga to this? Really?

    Two players that hardly set the world on fire

    Slade was fine, a classical 10 that I'd argue steers the team better than RM or BB.

    Sopoaga I rated, but he disappeared before he really got a chance to show his wares. He was a stretch.

    Shall we take Donald instead then?

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    @nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    How did we go from Cruden, Carter, Slade, Sopoaga to this? Really?

    Two players that hardly set the world on fire

    Slade was fine, a classical 10 that I'd argue steers the team better than RM or BB.

    Sopoaga I rated, but he disappeared before he really got a chance to show his wares. He was a stretch.

    Shall we take Donald instead then?

    I'm going to argue that we need to bring back the Junior All Black 15 and have them play a certain number of tests every year against middle-ranked opposition (Japan, Georgia, Canada, PIs) to give our younger players an environment to move through towards the ABs.

    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think we'd be OK with Joane or even Cameron (I can't believe I'm writing that, but there you go) there if we had a set of forwards that was playing with a plan that wasn't 10 years old and Aaron Smith in the 9 jersey.

    I think we have to confront the issue that we get piss-all out of our props and Retallick is a mile away from his best, plus Taylor can be dynamic but generally isn't (we don't get Crusader Taylor often enough).

    Until we sort out that issue in the starting 15 and off the bench, none of this matters. We do need more size in the backline but that can be achieved by introducing some big bodies (Leicester, Clarke). The issue right now is that other teams are getting far more out their front five and we have to focus there.

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    I'm going to argue that we need to bring back the Junior All Black 15

    That was planned before covid hit, IIRC.

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    Somehow I missed this page posted in the match thread:

    Reece will really struggle to hold his place this week given his tackling and turnovers. It really showed all of his weaknesses and why he is a stopgap option. I love that he gets involved, but last week showed how Rocks and Diamonds he can be.

    Zero metres from Laulala. I'm so fucking sick of that, pus two penalties, and 73$¥% tackling. He might actually have to get dropped completely.

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    @kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    Razor can’t be held responsible for the idiot that stuffs his game up when he is not under Razor.

    Not sure what this has to do with George Bridge....

    Bridge plays ok under Razor so same story.

    But that only holds true if Test rugby isn't step-up from Super Rugby, doesn't it?

    What ?

    Lots of players look good in Super Rugby and struggle up a level in Test rugby.

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    @gt12 I don’t get too into the game stats from all the different sites, but can you explain the turnovers conceded stat and what defines that? I noticed in those stats that Rieko Ioane had 1 against him, but I’m pretty sure he threw the ball away once and then he made that forward pass to his bro in that disallowed try. Which one was the TO conceded?

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    @act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @gt12 I don’t get too into the game stats from all the different sites, but can you explain the turnovers conceded stat and what defines that? I noticed in those stats that Rieko Ioane had 1 against him, but I’m pretty sure he threw the ball away once and then he made that forward pass to his bro in that disallowed try. Which one was the TO conceded?

    He had two handling errors too, so all up three turnovers by our usual stats.

    That makes Reece look even worse btw (assuming one doesn't subsume the other) with 3TCs and 4 handling errors.

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    @gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @gt12 I don’t get too into the game stats from all the different sites, but can you explain the turnovers conceded stat and what defines that? I noticed in those stats that Rieko Ioane had 1 against him, but I’m pretty sure he threw the ball away once and then he made that forward pass to his bro in that disallowed try. Which one was the TO conceded?

    He had two handling errors too, so all up three turnovers by our usual stats.

    That makes Reece look even worse btw (assuming one doesn't subsume the other) with 3TCs and 4 handling errors.

    Foster had a point about the backs having a stinker then 😉

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    When ABs lost to Ireland in 2016, they laid down a marker in the reverse fixture in Dublin. It was brutal. It was at times desperate (and with Fekitoa it stepped over a line), but the challenge was laid down to Ireland that the ABs weren't their bunnies.

    Against France, all AB players need to show an appetite for the physical side. The French need to be put off their game just like Ireland put NZ off theirs. If NZ allow France to play, the French will play. I think the Irish played one of their finest games. They'd have stuffed most teams based on that performance. AB players are playing for their futures over next 2 years in this game.

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    @nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    Shall we take Donald instead then?

    France this weekend isn't a big enough occasion for The Duck.

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    I want to see a team which is hurting after Dublin, playing as if their careers depended on it, looking pissed off at stupid mistakes and, above all, hungry.

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    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    I want to see a team which is hurting after Dublin, playing as if their careers depended on it, looking pissed off at stupid mistakes and, above all, hungry.

    And what you may get under Foster is a confused team with no game plan, and a lack of confidence that stumbles to another loss under Foster.

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    @act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    How did we go from Cruden, Carter, Slade, Sopoaga to this? Really?

    Two players that hardly set the world on fire

    Sopoaga was pretty handy on debut against the bokke in south africa

    I have to look at several people at the seem to get endless chances in AB squads and the others that were cut adrift and how much better some of them might have been if given as many chances as others

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    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    I want to see a team which is hurting after Dublin, playing as if their careers depended on it, looking pissed off at stupid mistakes and, above all, hungry.

    And I can also see that happening, but just like a cricketer on the verge of being dropped, a one effort big knock will paper over the cracks for a while longer.

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    @chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    I want to see a team which is hurting after Dublin, playing as if their careers depended on it, looking pissed off at stupid mistakes and, above all, hungry.

    And what you may get under Foster is a confused team with no game plan, and a lack of confidence that stumbles to another loss under Foster.

    Well, as long as players like Havili, Mounga & Reece can do the basic things right - sadly lacking last week - we should be OK.

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    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

    I want to see a team which is hurting after Dublin, playing as if their careers depended on it, looking pissed off at stupid mistakes and, above all, hungry.

    And what you may get under Foster is a confused team with no game plan, and a lack of confidence that stumbles to another loss under Foster.

    Well, as long as players like Havili, Mounga & Reece can do the basic things right - sadly lacking last week - we should be OK.

    Then we need Savea ,Retallick, Llaula,Reiko to lift their games and not miss tackles and throw the ball over the sideline and not drop the ball.
    There were mistakes from nearly everyone including BB who missed 3 tackles in the 20minutes he was on.
    But I am sure your fantastic coach will come up with a game plan to beat the French ,I jut hope it’s not the one we had against Ireland,or SA or England or Argentina we live in hope haha.

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