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  • StargazerS Offline
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    #264

    Every. single. All. Blacks. thread. (and many other rugby threads, too)

    It's like every one of them is a grumpy old man thread.

    Lighten the f*ck up. Rugby is still a beautiful game worth watching. Yes, some stupid law changes and incompetent officiating can make my blood boil, too, but the game is still awesome.

    I think you guys have changed more than the game. Bunch of whingers. 😀

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    @mariner4life

    what i mean.. is the talent disparity between the 5 franchises has narrowed in recent times, due to NZR central contracting, etc..

    look at the margins of the SR Aotearoa 2020 season, it was the most intense, competitive & evenly matched club league I've watched.

    it was such a tough competition that a 4 time grand slam winning coach in Gatland left with an ungodly 0-8 season record....

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    is the talent disparity between the 5 franchises has narrowed in recent times

    lol what? The Crusaders have how many current ABs? Go read their thread! they don't know how to get them in the 23, let alone the fucking 15

    meanwhile the Chiefs have.....

    Some of the teams are closer in talent now, because the talent is less, nearly everywhere. Throw in a couple of sabbaticals, and a season ending injury...

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    @stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:

    Every. single. All. Blacks. thread. (and many other rugby threads, too)

    It's like every one of them is a grumpy old man thread.

    Lighten the f*ck up. Rugby is still a beautiful game worth watching. Yes, some stupid law changes and incompetent officiating can make my blood boil, too, but the game is still awesome.

    I think you guys have changed more than the game. Bunch of whingers. 😀

    it's a discussion board, not a bulletin board for social media news

    if you don't like it...

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    @gt12 can only looked at the evidence provided, facts are Robertson never lost a match to any SA franchise, home or away, across 4 years...

    His record includes winning a Grand final on the highveld, in South Africa, the only side in Super Rugby's 25 season history.

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    @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    is the talent disparity between the 5 franchises has narrowed in recent times

    lol what? The Crusaders have how many current ABs? Go read their thread! they don't know how to get them in the 23, let alone the fucking 15

    meanwhile the Chiefs have.....

    Some of the teams are closer in talent now, because the talent is less, nearly everywhere. Throw in a couple of sabbaticals, and a season ending injury...

    @mariner4life we only have aaron smith now 😹

    I get what @kiwi_expat is saying though, results arent generally the forgone conclusions they were once, Landers and blues played the SRTT final, Chiefs and saders were top two teams in SSA 🤷🏻♂

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    @gt12 can only looked at the evidence provided, facts are

    ... and he did it with a 12 that couldn't be coached to run straight, and a wing who can only run straight!

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    @gt12 can only looked at the evidence provided, facts are Robertson never lost a match to any SA franchise, home or away, across 4 years...

    His record includes winning a Grand final on the highveld, in South Africa, the only side to achieve so in the 25 years of Super Rugby.

    And as I pointed out, SA and Oz teams have never been worse. You have to factor that into these achievements

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    @mariner4life

    what i mean.. is the talent disparity between the 5 franchises has narrowed in recent times, due to NZR central contracting, etc..

    look at the margins of the SR Aotearoa 2020 season, it was the most intense, competitive & evenly matched club league I've watched.

    it was such a tough competition that a 4 time grand slam winning coach in Gatland left with an ungodly 0-8 season record....

    No one saying it’s not competitive, just that the standard has been dropping consistently.

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    @mariner4life

    Lol... Chiefs & Blues have superior talent across multiple positions to Crusaders, including far more talented, individual 'game-breaker' type All Blacks.

    In contrast, Crusaders have a lot of solid journeyman-like players (which includes many of their All Blacks..) and are made to look far better than they actually are - thanks to Razor's ability to mold a champion side.

    (to the eyes, an extremely cohesive unit, resulting in the team appearing "greater than the sum of the parts")

    The Blues had the most raw talent of any NZ franchise in 2021 but Razor's superior team cohesion & coaching cancelled-out the impact of the Blues erroneously talented backline, loose-forwards and propping stocks, on paper.

    (Razor's coaching resulting in the team appearing "greater than the sum of the parts"...)

    Leon MacDonald took the most talent-laden stacked Blues side to a lowly 3rd in SR Aotearoa this year.

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    @mariner4life

    Chiefs & Blues have superior talent across multiple positions than the Crusaders, including more influential 'game-breaker' type All Blacks.

    In contrast, Crusaders have a lot of solid journeyman-like players (which includes many of their All Blacks..) and are made to look far better than they actually are - thanks to Razor's ability to mold a champion side.

    (to the eyes, an extremely cohesive unit, resulting in the team appearing "greater than the sum of the parts")

    The Blues had the most raw talent of any NZ franchise in 2021 but Razor's superior team cohesion & coaching cancelled-out the impact of the Blues erroneously talented backline, loose-forwards and propping stocks, on paper.

    (to the eyes, an extremely cohesive unit, and coaching resulting in the team appearing "greater than the sum of the parts"...)

    Leon MacDonald took the most talent-laden stacked Blues side to a lowly 3rd in SR Aotearoa this year.

    Phiff, couldn’t even make the final of the last comp they were in against piss easy teams.

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    @chris We revoked @gt12's membership in Team Rennie.

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    Just thought a certain few posters above me ought to know this... at the very beginning of his coaching career, Razor inherited a Sumner outfit that was rock bottom of the Chch 2nd Division. Within one year he had transformed them from cellar-dwellers to Division champs. And the following seasons he managed to coach them all the way to the top of Div 1.

    He's always taken underperforming teams & exceeded expectations, Sumner was the weakest club in Christchurch when he took over.

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    Just thought a certain few posters above me ought to know this... at the very beginning of his coaching career, Razor inherited a Sumner outfit that was rock bottom of the Chch 2nd Division. Within one year he had transformed them from cellar-dwellers to Division champs. And the following seasons he managed to coach them all the way to the top of Div 1.

    He's always taken underperforming teams & exceeded expectations, Sumner was the weakest club in Christchurch when he took over.

    Genuine question, was it the same players or did he attract better players to Sumner?

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    @kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:

    Just thought a certain few posters above me ought to know this... at the very beginning of his coaching career, Razor inherited a Sumner outfit that was rock bottom of the Chch 2nd Division. Within one year he had transformed them from cellar-dwellers to Division champs. And the following seasons he managed to coach them all the way to the top of Div 1.

    He's always taken underperforming teams & exceeded expectations, Sumner was the weakest club in Christchurch when he took over.

    So what you're saying is he's finally running out of luck. 😉

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  • ChrisC Offline
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    I am not a Mark Reason fan at all but he’s gets this article pretty right IMO.
    M[link text](link url) https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127007795/mark-reason-ian-foster-turns-all-blacks-wonderland-into-blunderland

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    @chris he starts with some interesting points...but then has to go all sensational journolist on it

    "For a start, it implied that employers can effectively demote an employee for taking paternity leave. It would be hilarious if Mo’unga took the case to an industrial tribunal, although it will clearly never happen. He might even win"

    ....as if spots on a team are ever guaranteed

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    @chris said in All Blacks 2021:

    I am not a Mark Reason fan at all but he’s gets this article pretty right IMO.
    M[link text](link url) https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127007795/mark-reason-ian-foster-turns-all-blacks-wonderland-into-blunderland

    He’s mostly right but a lot of this is utter click bait bollocks

    There are plenty of worrying aspects to this whole charade. Barrett came back from Japan saying he wanted his number 10 jersey back. Instead of brusquely telling him that the coach picked the team, Foster lauded his ambition. The likes of Sir Graham Henry would never have so badly undermined their own authority..

    Beaudy said he enjoyed and wanted to play ten, not get HIS jersey back. Players stating a preference is good, and correctly a sign of ambition - like Reiko wanting to play centre. Doesn’t mean the coach will choose that.

    It appears that John Plumtree is wielding more and more influence with the insertion of the Hurricanes axis of TJ Perenara, Ardie Savea and Beauden Barrett into the 8, 9 and 10 shirts.

    More clickbait bullshit, he has no idea

    But yeah the wheels are wobbling and have been for years

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    @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:

    @chris he starts with some interesting points...but then has to go all sensational journolist on it

    "For a start, it implied that employers can effectively demote an employee for taking paternity leave. It would be hilarious if Mo’unga took the case to an industrial tribunal, although it will clearly never happen. He might even win"

    ....as if spots on a team are ever guaranteed

    Yeah I don’t agree with all of it that’s why I said he got it pretty right.

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