All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@frank said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Well, the story in the Herald announced how good the team feels after the review with Moody saying there was nothing wrong with the gameplan and Sam Cane saying they feel great for a bounce back. If we get smacked by France, then we know we are in real trouble.
I'm not sure what game they were watching, maybe it was the 2019 QF?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@frank said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Well, the story in the Herald announced how good the team feels after the review with Moody saying there was nothing wrong with the gameplan and Sam Cane saying they feel great for a bounce back. If we get smacked by France, then we know we are in real trouble.
I'm not sure what game they were watching, maybe it was the 2019 QF?
oh shit, maybe we are a lower-middle EPL team playing against City, and the plan is to sit deep and hit them on the break?
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@antipodean He would be okay at 7 but once again he is played out of position and has to play like a ball runner which is good when he has space.
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Plumtree has said that he likes Savea at no.8 as he gets his hands on the ball more, to be a ball-runner. That is fine in theory as long as the other 2 loose forwards complement Savea's strengths and just as importantly, his weaknesses. That means you need a no.6 who can bend the defensive line and make dominant tackles, not just make tackles. We have that player, but he has been relegated to the bench. BTW, that loose forward trio played Aust in Perth.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@frank said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Well, the story in the Herald announced how good the team feels after the review with Moody saying there was nothing wrong with the gameplan and Sam Cane saying they feel great for a bounce back. If we get smacked by France, then we know we are in real trouble.
I'm not sure what game they were watching, maybe it was the 2019 QF?
A player is hardly going to blame the game plan (ie the coaches). Moody may very well believe it but I wouldn't take it as gospel.
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Wouldn't mind seeing this combination against France, provided Cane is fit:
6 Cane
7 Papalii
8 Ioane
20 SaveaShould give us the most dominant tackles and turnovers, with one good ball carrier, and two decent ones. Would like to see Papalii used to carry more. Savea on late to run and get turnovers.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@frank said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Well, the story in the Herald announced how good the team feels after the review with Moody saying there was nothing wrong with the gameplan and Sam Cane saying they feel great for a bounce back. If we get smacked by France, then we know we are in real trouble.
I'm not sure what game they were watching, maybe it was the 2019 QF?
A player is hardly going to blame the game plan (ie the coaches). Moody may very well believe it but I wouldn't take it as gospel.
He can if the coach sets the tone. Coach says we have a lot to work on, players say we have a lot to work on
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The question is are we going to self-destruct with the predictable "Hansen-ball" or are we going to see some "learnings" from the weekend and get some innovation? (Is this possible in only 1 week anyway?) I hope the French play well and their forwards match up because a comfortable win with the same tactics as always will only see more of the same in 2022. But I don't think we'll win comfortably because the French know what is coming this weekend and they'll be licking their lips in anticipation!
I noticed even the "Breakdown" crew getting frustrated with the "old tactics".
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@old-samurai-jack my feeling os fozzie more of the try and prove he was right by winning doing the same things (maybe with different people) rather than try and learn and change
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@old-samurai-jack my feeling os fozzie more of the try and prove he was right by winning doing the same things (maybe with different people) rather than try and learn and change
I think it will be pretty close to status quo because I don't think they can change much in a week.
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@crazy-horse i think it can be done...i think thats part of how you win a world cup, being able to grow and change throughout the comp, but dont think fozzie will
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse i think it can be done...i think thats part of how you win a world cup, being able to grow and change throughout the comp, but dont think fozzie will
You can tinker from week to week but I suspect we are at the stage where tinkering is a band aid and the problems will resurface. I reckon we need more. Hope I am wrong.
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse i think it can be done...i think thats part of how you win a world cup, being able to grow and change throughout the comp, but dont think fozzie will
You can tinker from week to week but I suspect we are at the stage where tinkering is a band aid and the problems will resurface. I reckon we need more. Hope I am wrong.
Can we instill a more direct gameplan and greater aggression in the breakdown inside a week? Those two things and Aaron Smith would give us a massive boost
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I think it will be pretty close to status quo because I don't think they can change much in a week.
A few changes can make a big impact:
- A couple of form changes - Taylor and Havili in particular
- A better balanced back row like we saw earlier in the year
- Aaron Smith returns
The side wouldn't look that different from other 23's we've seen in 2021. So it's hardly a drastic change
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I’d start Coles and have Sami on the bench.
Props argghhh
Retallick and Whitelock need to lift.
Was watching some highlights of France v Oz and what about a loose trio of
6- Ioane
7-Savea
8-JacobsonBlackadder on the bench.
Backs - don’t really mind who, as long as Smith starts.
That loose trio didn’t work in Bok2.
I didn’t think it was that bad. What didn’t work was giving away a last minute penalty!
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@old-samurai-jack my feeling os fozzie more of the try and prove he was right by winning doing the same things (maybe with different people) rather than try and learn and change
It worked in 2015, and is good enough to get the ABs coaching job, why should foster want to change? He's got two and a half years of cruising, cos he isn't going to be fired.
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@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I think it will be pretty close to status quo because I don't think they can change much in a week.
A few changes can make a big impact:
- A couple of form changes - Taylor and Havili in particular
- A better balanced back row like we saw earlier in the year
- Aaron Smith returns
The side wouldn't look that different from other 23's we've seen in 2021. So it's hardly a drastic change
They have to start some of the younger players, as they don't trust them to finish the game. Given that, it would be a good message to bench Retallick, drop Taylor and either Moody or Laulala go to the bench (or both).
Havili is problematic because we don't have enough fit midfielders that they trust, but I'd send him to the bench too.
We could then bring Moody, Ofa, Coles/Taylor, Retallick, Cane/Papalii, TJP, Mo'unga, and Havili off the bench. There would be no reason to not use all of them and they all should be able to contribute, given their experience. We can also put some minutes into De Groot, Taukeiaho, Vaaii, and Tupaea.
The luckiest in there is Savea, but I don't think they'll now suddenly turn back to Jacobson or Sotutu, even though a really good argument could be made for them doing so.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I think it will be pretty close to status quo because I don't think they can change much in a week.
A few changes can make a big impact:
- A couple of form changes - Taylor and Havili in particular
- A better balanced back row like we saw earlier in the year
- Aaron Smith returns
The side wouldn't look that different from other 23's we've seen in 2021. So it's hardly a drastic change
They have to start some of the younger players, as they don't trust them to finish the game. Given that, it would be a good message to bench Retallick, drop Taylor and either Moody or Laulala go to the bench (or both).
Havili is problematic because we don't have enough fit midfielders that they trust, but I'd send him to the bench too.
We could then bring Moody, Ofa, Coles/Taylor, Retallick, Cane/Papalii, TJP, Mo'unga, and Havili off the bench. There would be no reason to not use all of them and they all should be able to contribute, given their experience. We can also put some minutes into De Groot, Taukeiaho, Vaaii, and Tupaea.
The luckiest in there is Savea, but I don't think they'll now suddenly turn back to Jacobson or Sotutu, even though a really good argument could be made for them doing so.
Who starts at First five in your Plan assuming BB is out not Dmac ffs.
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