All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
All I can really say from this game is that we were completely outgunned by an impressive Irish side. NO EXCUSES.
A few players that aren't cutting it for me -
Codie Taylor - he just lacks any real physicality at test level, from what I've seen this year I would rather throw Samisoni into that starting role, he just looks better suited when we are playing against bigger sides and it's quite noticeable when he's not there.
Brodie Rettalick - looks like a shell of his former self but I guess there aren't too many more options with Barrett back in NZ. Really need to grow some depth in this position.
Loose forwards: as already mentioned on this forum, the mix was probably off. We needed a bigger ball carrier at 6 to complement Dalton and Ardie. I don't think Blackadder played badly but the selectors probably missed the mark on that combo for a bigger Irish pack.
David Havili: unfortunately he continues to miss the mark as an International 12. I rate his skillset but he just gets smoked almost every time he tries to crash it up. Definitely need to find a bigger inside centre quick fast.
At this stage, I wonder if it's worthwhile dumping some of the old guard for newer talent against France. Nothing to lose and might generate a bit of hunger and freshness in the team. Something drastic to focus minds and, let's face it, Foster hasn't got much to lose.
Onwards and upwards though. Bring on France.
We're going onwards (except on the pitch) but upwards?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
At this stage, I wonder if it's worthwhile dumping some of the old guard for newer talent against France. Nothing to lose and might generate a bit of hunger and freshness in the team. Something drastic to focus minds and, let's face it, Foster hasn't got much to lose.
I think they're going to try and play fresh people. So Cane/Jacobsen/Ioane loosies, new frnot row, any lock who can walk, and quite a different backline.
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This from the poster Highlander on Roar is one of the best analyses I’ve seen of what’s ailing the ABs.
“Somewhere deep in the heart of this coaching group and squad of players is a belief that they can run and outscore anyone, no matter the circumstances, no matter what the opposition bring.
“It’s misguided, it’s entitled and it’s just downright wrong. We don’t need to follow the years old rules of earning the right to play, we are different.”
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@mrdenmore That's not analysis. That's just an unproven and lazy assumption.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mrdenmore That's not analysis. That's just an unproven and lazy assumption.
Which is perfectly in synch with what I saw.
I think one of the worst things that happened to us was the score that had us in front at half time. Gave us belief as per above, when what was needed was something else.
Probably not something we were capable of to be honest.
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@majorrage me too, been saying it all season, every touch of the ball they try and do something highlight reel worthy rather than do the basics, build pressure and create a real opportunity to do something highlight reel worthy
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@canes4life said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
All I can really say from this game is that we were completely outgunned by an impressive Irish side. NO EXCUSES.
A few players that aren't cutting it for me -
Codie Taylor - he just lacks any real physicality at test level, from what I've seen this year I would rather throw Samisoni into that starting role, he just looks better suited when we are playing against bigger sides and it's quite noticeable when he's not there.
Brodie Rettalick - looks like a shell of his former self but I guess there aren't too many more options with Barrett back in NZ. Really need to grow some depth in this position.
Loose forwards: as already mentioned on this forum, the mix was probably off. We needed a bigger ball carrier at 6 to complement Dalton and Ardie. I don't think Blackadder played badly but the selectors probably missed the mark on that combo for a bigger Irish pack.
David Havili: unfortunately he continues to miss the mark as an International 12. I rate his skillset but he just gets smoked almost every time he tries to crash it up. Definitely need to find a bigger inside centre quick fast.
At this stage, I wonder if it's worthwhile dumping some of the old guard for newer talent against France. Nothing to lose and might generate a bit of hunger and freshness in the team. Something drastic to focus minds and, let's face it, Foster hasn't got much to lose.
Onwards and upwards though. Bring on France.
We're going onwards (except on the pitch) but upwards?
he won't want to lose the learnings.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mrdenmore That's not analysis. That's just an unproven and lazy assumption.
An assumption that marries well with the evidence. Players playing out of position. A coaching group talking about lessons that never materialise.
Assisted in no small measure by those holding a flame for certain players. Almost anyone with two eyes can see Ardie shirks the hard work come ruck time - that's been a feature of his entire career. And DMac is a fucking liability.
I could go on, but the article has already been written.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Assisted in no small measure by those holding a flame for certain players.
Yeah, Fozzie has a hard on for Ardie.
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@mrdenmore said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
This from the poster Highlander on Roar is one of the best analyses I’ve seen of what’s ailing the ABs.
“Somewhere deep in the heart of this coaching group and squad of players is a belief that they can run and outscore anyone, no matter the circumstances, no matter what the opposition bring.
“It’s misguided, it’s entitled and it’s just downright wrong. We don’t need to follow the years old rules of earning the right to play, we are different.”
Well I don't think we are fitter than other top teams now in the last 20 minutes. We don't tire them out any more.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mrdenmore That's not analysis. That's just an unproven and lazy assumption.
Which is perfectly in synch with what I saw.
I think one of the worst things that happened to us was the score that had us in front at half time. Gave us belief as per above, when what was needed was something else.
Probably not something we were capable of to be honest.
Isn't there a stat about how often the ABs lose when ahead at halftime? From memory it is very unlikely but perhaps it is changing recently.
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@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
So that's three losses in the last five games against Ireland? We really love trying the same shit and hoping for a different result.
Dunno if I've been booboo'ed but I don't think think this was a case of same shit different day, as this was a different level from the Paddies.
They completely dominated, where as I don't think they did in Chicago or 2018.
I've got a rant brewing about tight forwards and coaching (given I'm a "I want Foster to succeed " guy), but I need to articulate it upside mah head first
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
So that's three losses in the last five games against Ireland? We really love trying the same shit and hoping for a different result.
Dunno if I've been booboo'ed but I don't think think this was a case of same shit different day, as this was a different level from the Paddies.
They completely dominated, where asI don't think they did in Chicago or 2018.
I've got a rant brewing about tight forwards and coaching (given I'm a "I want Foster to succeed " guy), but I need to articulate it upside mah head first
You may eventually find these two admirable intentions
a. want Foster to succeed or
b. want the ABs to succeed
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mencey BS. This was his first year in the 12 jersey and he's offered more than Tupaea thus far.
He has been consistently shit. Not sure who should be in the centres. Like ALB but he has been off. We need a big forward of the like of Tana or Nanu along with ALB in for IMHO. But Havvilli is not the answer.
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@mencey said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mencey BS. This was his first year in the 12 jersey and he's offered more than Tupaea thus far.
He has been consistently shit. Not sure who should be in the centres. Like ALB but he has been off. We need a big forward of the like of Tana or Nanu along with ALB in for IMHO. But Havvilli is not the answer.
That's a patent lie. He was excellent before the games against South Africa, especially if you consider it's his first year in the 12 jersey. Agree he's not a big guy, but there's no reason why the big guy (maybe Leicester Fainga'anuku) can't play at centre. It doesn't need to be the 12.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
I cannot believe that they did not appoint Robertson as coach. The current one just has not got what it take. Look how well Canterbury and the Crusaders have done under him and I do not like either but admire both. Foster never had what it takes. The whole forward pack needs to toughen the fuck up while I am on this rant.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mrdenmore said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
This from the poster Highlander on Roar is one of the best analyses I’ve seen of what’s ailing the ABs.
“Somewhere deep in the heart of this coaching group and squad of players is a belief that they can run and outscore anyone, no matter the circumstances, no matter what the opposition bring.
“It’s misguided, it’s entitled and it’s just downright wrong. We don’t need to follow the years old rules of earning the right to play, we are different.”
Well I don't think we are fitter than other top teams now in the last 20 minutes. We don't tire them out any more.
With all the TMO smokos its much harder nowadays.
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@mencey said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
I cannot believe that they did not appoint Robertson as coach. The current one just has not got what it take. Look how well Canterbury and the Crusaders have done under him and I do not like either but admire both. Foster never had what it takes. The whole forward pack needs to toughen the fuck up while I am on this rant.
It is very hard to argue against your posts when your avatar is so darn cool.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mencey said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mencey BS. This was his first year in the 12 jersey and he's offered more than Tupaea thus far.
He has been consistently shit. Not sure who should be in the centres. Like ALB but he has been off. We need a big forward of the like of Tana or Nanu along with ALB in for IMHO. But Havvilli is not the answer.
That's a patent lie. He was excellent before the games against South Africa,
Let's keep in mind the level of competition.
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@mencey said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
I cannot believe that they did not appoint Robertson as coach. The current one just has not got what it take. Look how well Canterbury and the Crusaders have done under him and I do not like either but admire both. Foster never had what it takes. The whole forward pack needs to toughen the fuck up while I am on this rant.
OK. Very fair points. But what if the problems aren't Foster or aren't just Foster? What if we get Robertson in and things don't improve that much? What do we do then?
You're dead right on the mid-field, but we've had 6 years - six fucking years - to sort out some stability which takes into account injuries, and yet our options for the France game are now down to two inexperienced tyros in Ennor & Tupaea, an out-of-form Havili and/or Reiko who's a great wing but lacks goods at 13 at Test level.
That's not all down to Foster (I actually give him credit for at least trying to fix the issue) - that's down to NZRFU taking their eye off the ball on ensuring long-term player development.
