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    We’re going to need a bigger dunny.

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    @sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

    Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.

    Zero Chance. Need to learn from Read.

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    43 minutes and Irish hooker goes through tackle of Blackadder to score. Passive defense again. Can't play guys like him at 6 against big packs. Ineffective.

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    Playing three sevens against a big pack is just stupid. Plumtree out.

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    There was a moment in the match where we were under the pump and needed to clear our line, and the ball went to Havili at first receiver who made a pretty poor clearing kick while Mo'unga just sort of stood in the background doing nothing. Which summed up Mo'unga's issues at this level; at that stage of the game we needed our 10 to command the ball and direct play, but he just went missing completely.

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    Despite Ireland's dominance we managed to claw our way back into the game, and were a very marginal forward pass call away from taking the lead. Further to that, in the lead up to the disallowed try there were two YC offenses from the Irish - a high shot on Rieko and then a professional foul sealing the ball off on their own line. A YC would have changed the dynamics of the game.

    We were outplayed but that was a period of poor officiating at a crucial stage in the match.

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    @tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

    43 minutes and Irish hooker goes through tackle of Blackadder to score. Passive defense again. Can't play guys like him at 6 against big packs. Ineffective.

    Went far too high, didn't he. Cane, McCaw or Kaino would have put their body on the line and gone for the low chop tackle there.

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    @tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

    Playing three sevens against a big pack is just stupid. Plumtree out.

    Look at the top of the thread. Akira had to start. Ofa T should have been involved too.

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    At 48 minutes was it Jordan who threw the awful pass to Ioane? Turned set piece ball into scramble ball. Jordan makes a lot of mistakes but doesn't get called on it.

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    @dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

    Ireland were very good today and deserved their win. No complaints.

    The ABs were poor and made to look very ordinary by a committed Ireland side who wanted to put us under pressure from the get go.

    The AB’s are the best side in the world until they come up against a team that wants to tackle and pressure us. This had shades of the 2019 semi against England.

    I have said for some time that NZ rugby are not producing the right kind of players for test rugby that can be successful in RWCs and against the very top sides. Ireland in the autumn is definitely one of those.

    A lot has been made of the ABs wanting to play unstructured rugby. We are good at it. However, we either dont understand how or can’t break down a side through our own structured rugby first, to enable us to get in a position where we force them into unstructured game scenarios - pressure them into turnovers, dropped balls, poor kicks etc.

    Ireland are one of the most structured sides in the game and it showed throughout the match. They enjoyed a huge amount of possession in the first half and we hade to make over 140 tackles. In one half. That required defensive effort will always come back to hurt you later in the game.

    At halftime we must have talked at length about holding on to the ball, having possession to play our game that allows territory and then opportunities will follow. We kicked the ball away 3 times in the first 3 minutes and Ireland duly scored. It’s not smart rugby.

    We had a huge amount of dropped passes and threw the ball into touch a few times today. Lots of those dropped balls were unforced errors tbh and we looked a panicked side trying to attack against a composed and organised Irish defence. We couldnt impose ourselves enough to force Ireland into making errors or breaking up up their defensive organisation.

    Perhaps the 16 week quarantine bubble tour has finally affected the squad and the performance of the team. We saw that with SA in the RC when they lost games they perhaps shouldn’t have.

    The biggest frustration is we have known for 4 years we struggle when confronted with a side like this. For all the gains we have made this year, we haven’t addressed this massive problem at all and we looked as poor as we did that night against England in the RWC loss.

    Do we have the players to turn this around? Is super rugby aotearoa and trans Ta$man rugby good enough preparation for how todays test rugby is played? Is it a surprise when the assistant coach who was part of the team that oversaw the decline of AB rugby over the last 3 years and the semi loss against England, is now the head coach and showing the same weaknesses in how his side performs?

    Congrats to Ireland. Well played. Lots of work to do for the all black squad over the next couple of years.

    Great post. Our structured play seems to consist of kicking the ball. Notable how many carries Ireland made without error and how taxing that was on a resilient defence. So coaches certainly have questions about our game plan.

    A lot of criticism of players on here seems to be frustration with not winning. But we do lack running prop options, our kicking from halfback wasn’t good, our off the ball niggle caught up with us, and in the backs we want to pass rather than phase.

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    51 minutes, pathetic tackle attempt by from Taylor. He isn't great physically, is he. 3rd best hooker in NZ shouldn't be starting tests.

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    @sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

    @duluth Havili shoved out of the way off the ball before the Dorris try. Created the gap. Try shouldn't have stood.

    Do you mean Bladder who was cleaned out well past the ruck?

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    @kev said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

    But we do lack running prop options

    We really don't get much out of Moody and Laulala, and we aren't generating scrum penalties either.

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    @tim said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

    43 minutes and Irish hooker goes through tackle of Blackadder to score. Passive defense again. Can't play guys like him at 6 against big packs. Ineffective.

    Yeah, I am struggling to see why so many people rate him so highly.

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    @akan004 Plays like a seven so his name gets mentioned a lot by the commentators. He was the new thing, so was talked up by the media. Otherwise, no idea!

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    Finally. ABs get a little bit of go forward ball from the lineout, allows Savea to hit it up and make progress, then quick ball with space out wide.

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    Then the little forward pass with the try begging. So frustrating.

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    Should've taken the scrum at 68 minutes. Needed to try to get a try in a rare visit to the 22. Didn't back themselves when they were looking good.

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    Man, those exits. Like watching a bad Blues or Auckland team.

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    Havili won't be missed. A lot of mistakes in this game.

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