Scotland v Australia 2021
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@nta yeah no real pressure on him too with the Scottish player already off his feet and no other defender rushing in.
In the annoying voice of Sean Maloney “a famous victory for the Scots” 😉
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
And it was a shit cleanout by Alaalatoa, too - zero effect. Get there and retain your balance, eyes up, to protect the ball.
Tough call only in that many refs have let this 'style' of play go for years. No attempt to be doing anything at the tackle except insert a body in there and go to ground. It's not a clear out. It's no different to tackling a player on the ground. You are actually only meant to bind onto a player on their feet anyway.
In my opinion it is a penalty anyway (should be at almost every ruck) but the arm to the head was just extra clumsiness.IMO the reason this is never ruled on is that WR want to encourage players to the tackle area to create space elsewhere but then want quick contests for the ball to keep play moving.
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Anyway, fuck it. On to England - the expectations for the tour were a bit lower with Kerevi and Quade gone, but we're now firm underdogs at Twickers.
Oz are good enough to bounce back after yet another loss to their bogey team
Scots on the other hand will DEFINITELY drop one of the next two games, I’m picking against SA. No way can they beat two Southern hemisphere heavyweights in a row.
I’m picking a plucky loss there but victory over the brave blossoms or whatever the Japanese team are called…..
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial having not seen the game - was it a call from an AR or the TMO or something?
Because they weren't doing their fucking job on the Scots first try if they were watching that closely.
I only watched some highlights but in the non try it seemed to be a TMO callback for review. For the Scots first try it was reviewed from a number of angles and cleared. I couldn't see a problem. It was a canny move that shifted to point of the maul as the aussies formed it not after.
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@derpus my issues with it on a couple of viewings:
- ball was transferred prior to maul forming
- pod moved forward prior to maul forming
- Watson was not bound to the ball carrier when he received the ball.
If he'd done a proper hit and rip it might be a little more foggy, but that is objectively illegal on any one of those issues.
Sometimes we forget "bound" means the shoulder, not the hand.
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@nta “ Congratulations on a great International career Romain”
Fake news
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gee that first Scot try is very dodgy. Looks for all money like the ball is transferred back well before any contact.
If the refs had a better angle then all good, but that replay looks like obstruction.
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@act-crusader said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@nta “ Congratulations on a great (that it's over) International career Romain”
Fake news
FIFY.
But really, fucking hard job, so much easier in the days of shitty SD TV feeds
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@sparky said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
Watching the replay and saw this. Totally agree that it didn't warrant a card because the contact was marginal. Also noticed that Hooper crawled to the try line, so the try should have been ruled out anyway.
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
gee that first Scot try is very dodgy. Looks for all money like the ball is transferred back well before any contact.
If the refs had a better angle then all good, but that replay looks like obstruction.
It's a confusing one but which part do you think is obstruction?
As I see it the ball is transferred from the catcher in a different pod so the new group doesn't join back - no obstruction.
The new group takes the ball with the leading man and (probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
However I thought there was now a law banning pre-binding? That group was set up to drive before catching the ball it looks like. -
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
(probably) doesn't shift it back until contact forms a maul. - no obstruction.
this bit. that ball looks transferred before they even start moving let alone initiate contact
Fair enough. I will try and find another clip.
My theory on pre binding is wrong. They were quite careful not to do that. Well rehearsed.
Edit: This clip clearer. Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
Refs review it and you can vaguely hear them but I think they are watching the end on clip when the first lineout shot shows both fouls clearly.50 seconds in.
This is the sequence as it was reviewed. They believe that 5 kept hands on ball after transferring and didn't let go until contact. Fair enough fro this view 29 minutes in
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@stargazer said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@sparky said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Try ruled out. Terrible decision by the TMO. Very minimal contact with the face and the guy shouldn't have been lying there trying to kill the ball. Scots milked it too.
Watching the replay and saw this. Totally agree that it didn't warrant a card because the contact was marginal. Also noticed that Hooper crawled to the try line, so the try should have been ruled out anyway.
Yep, that looked obvious.
What is the latest law on front row subs? I know that Maloney mentioned it in the commentary and I was thinking the same thing. Rather than move Slipper to TH, where he struggled, why not just opt for the non-contested scrums to avoid any further scrum penalties? In the end Alaalatoa came back on.
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@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
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@nta said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
@crucial said in Scotland v Australia 2021:
Shit I am wrong again. Definitely a pre-bind so that is first penalty, then ball transferred back well before maul is formed so obstruction.
I think they're was some new interpretations on flying wedge to that end as well.
Anyway it's on the board. At least it is something different from letting mauls restart their forward momentum endlessly...
That's what I was meaning. It was meant to stop the tactic of passing to a man with another already locked on to charge forward into contact. To me this is exactly what has happened here.
One of the big failures with the TMO system is that they get fixated on one aspect and forget to look at others.A common one in that regard is low tackles on the try line around the head/neck. Obvious when looking at the whole picture instead of just at the grounding.
