All Blacks 2021
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
i have historically been probably frizells biggest champion on here since joining....but now would rather see robinson
I've always thought of Frizell as being a bit "meh" ie, he's not quick or skillful or has a high workrate like Akira Ioane, Jacobson or even Blackadder. Plus he's not the monster 6 like Collins or Kaino. He's good at Super level but at international he's average IMO.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
Frizell has been mentioned as providing cover as the 5th lock in the squad. He shouldn't have been selected though.
Thank you, time for me to ask this, then, who would you prefer as a bench/replacement lock, Frizell or Robinson?
I had no problem with the initial selection of Frizell. BUT he has been given an opportunity and hasn't transferred SR performances into test performances, so time to move on.
I rate Robinson although we haven't seen him used as a lock enough to say he could fill that role, particularly in the scrum. He really should play there for the Blues next season given their depth in the loose forwards compared to lock.
For the ABs, however, I'm not sure we will see a lock/6 in the reserves as they will likely use Barrett on the bench.
It'll be interesting at the Blues next season as Robinson is the incumbent 6. If you're looking at balance Blues would likely start with Papali'i, Sotutu and Ioane with Robinson coming off the bench. There is alot to like about his game, size, workrate etc. Not sure about his ability to cover lock though, I'd say a no until we see him in a few games.
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@themojoman with Pat T leaving, Robinson is likely to be captain, which you'd think he would move into lock given the loose forward quality, or maybe sharing time between the positions.
As for Tom, yeah last year I think he had a bit of a hammy issue during NPC after having been out during Super with a shoulder injury, and then this year was out cold after he and Zarn Sullivan clashed heads in an NPC pre-season and I think they have been extra cautious on him, given he has only just this weekend been named on the Northland bench.
He looks like he'd be one of those guys that would step into Test rugby like he's been there before, fingers crossed for next season for him to have a good run with no injuries!
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Let's wait and see how Super Rugby Pasific goes in 2022. There are more contenders. Not sure the ABs are looking for a lock loosie, esp if it's to replace Frizell, if they're even contemplating replacing him. If they do, they may look for another 6/8 or 8/6.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
Let's wait and see how Super Rugby Pasific goes in 2022. There are more contenders. Not sure the ABs are looking for a lock loosie, esp if it's to replace Frizell, if they're even contemplating replacing him. If they do, they may look for another 6/8 or 8/6.
That's pretty well covered with Akira, Jacobson, Sotutu and even Dalton and Cane. But a player that can effectively play 6 and lock would be useful in smaller WC squads.
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Yeah, and Barrett isn’t the be all and end all of lock/6 bench options. Arguably we’d want a 6/lock as our locks can often do 80 minutes.
I see it as the best path for him to break into the squad, after which he’d have heavy competition for the 23 from Barrett.
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@kirwan Well, I see it differently.
Sotutu has yet to convince me and I don't like Cane at 6 (and is not a long term option aged 29 and breaking so often). Haven't seen Jacobson much in the black 6 jersey either. I think Blackadder makes more sense at 6.
If Sotutu has another anonymous SR season, and others step up, I'd like to see them given a chance, especially if they finally realise that they need to drop Frizell. We have so many young locks now in the mix, that I'd rather see them focus on developing the backrow (finding the right mix).
Anyway, the squad is unusually big this year, so they're more likely to drop people without replacing them, next year.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan Well, I see it differently.
Sotutu has yet to convince me and I don't like Cane at 6 (and is not a long term option aged 29 and breaking so often). Haven't seen Jacobson much in the black 6 jersey either. I think Blackadder makes more sense at 6.
If Sotutu has another anonymous SR season, and others step up, I'd like to see them given a chance, especially if they finally realise that they need to drop Frizell. We have so many young locks now in the mix, that I'd rather see them focus on developing the backrow (finding the right mix).
Anyway, the squad is unusually big this year, so they're more likely to drop people without replacing them, next year.
As pure number eight options, really only Sotutu and Jacobson looking AB level from Super Rygby (I'll ignore your mistaken opinion about Sotutu having an anonymous season).
Ardie and Blackadder both look more effective at seven, and need to be left there IMO. We can't keep making the same mistakes against the bigger teams.
That means a big player, like Akira or Jacobson, at six. A specialist eight, and specialist seven.
That means Akira, Jacobson and Ardie for me (ignoring Cane until next year). Dalton covering 6/7 from the bench.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan Well, I see it differently.
Sotutu has yet to convince me and I don't like Cane at 6 (and is not a long term option aged 29 and breaking so often). Haven't seen Jacobson much in the black 6 jersey either. I think Blackadder makes more sense at 6.
If Sotutu has another anonymous SR season, and others step up, I'd like to see them given a chance, especially if they finally realise that they need to drop Frizell. We have so many young locks now in the mix, that I'd rather see them focus on developing the backrow (finding the right mix).
Anyway, the squad is unusually big this year, so they're more likely to drop people without replacing them, next year.
As pure number eight options, really only Sotutu and Jacobson looking AB level from Super Rygby (I'll ignore your mistaken opinion about Sotutu having an anonymous season).
Ardie and Blackadder both look more effective at seven, and need to be left there IMO. We can't keep making the same mistakes against the bigger teams.
That means a big player, like Akira or Jacobson, at six. A specialist eight, and specialist seven.
That means Akira, Jacobson and Ardie for me (ignoring Cane until next year). Dalton covering 6/7 from the bench.
Hilarious how you always present your opinion as fact and that of others as a mistake.
We're allowed to express a different opinion to yours, aren't we? And those opinions are just as valid/invalid as yours! -
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan Well, I see it differently.
Sotutu has yet to convince me and I don't like Cane at 6 (and is not a long term option aged 29 and breaking so often). Haven't seen Jacobson much in the black 6 jersey either. I think Blackadder makes more sense at 6.
If Sotutu has another anonymous SR season, and others step up, I'd like to see them given a chance, especially if they finally realise that they need to drop Frizell. We have so many young locks now in the mix, that I'd rather see them focus on developing the backrow (finding the right mix).
Anyway, the squad is unusually big this year, so they're more likely to drop people without replacing them, next year.
As pure number eight options, really only Sotutu and Jacobson looking AB level from Super Rygby (I'll ignore your mistaken opinion about Sotutu having an anonymous season).
Ardie and Blackadder both look more effective at seven, and need to be left there IMO. We can't keep making the same mistakes against the bigger teams.
That means a big player, like Akira or Jacobson, at six. A specialist eight, and specialist seven.
That means Akira, Jacobson and Ardie for me (ignoring Cane until next year). Dalton covering 6/7 from the bench.
Hilarious how you always present your opinion as fact and that of others as a mistake.
We're allowed to express a different opinion to yours, aren't we? And those opinions are just as valid/invalid as yours!Umm, if you re-read you'll see I used the term In My Opinion. Not sure how I could make that any clearer for you?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan My comment in my previous post was clearly a reaction to the bolded bit and not to the rest of your post, where you indeed use the acronym IMO. Anyway, you'll no doubt disagree with this also. That's fine.
Oh, you didn't like me treating your opinion as an opinion, not a fact? Hilarious.
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The All Blacks are in Europe ahead of an action-packed Tudor Northern Tour, which kicks off against Wales in Cardiff this weekend.
They then take on Italy in Rome and Ireland in Dublin before wrapping up the tour against France in Paris. In New Zealand you’ll be able to watch all the action live and exclusive on Sky Sport NZ.Check out the broadcast guide below to find out how and where to watch the All Blacks in action on the Tudor Northern Tour.
The Wales Test match from Principality Stadium in Cardiff kicks off at 5.15pm on Saturday 30 October (local time) and Sunday 31 October at 5.15am NZT.
New Zealand - All games will be live on Sky Sport 1, Sky Go and Sky Sport Now.
Australia - Stan Sport & beIN Sports
Sub Saharan Africa - SuperSport
South America, Central America & Carribbean - ESPN Sur
Pacific Islands/PNG - Digicel
UK - Amazon (Prime Video)
Ireland - Channel 4 + RTE
Spain - Telefonica/Movistar+
Italy - TBC (to be confirmed)
Portugal - Sport TV
France - beIN Sports + L’Equipe
Scandinavia + Baltics - NENT
Netherlands - Ziggo
Georgia - Rugby TV
Czech Republic - Nova TV
Middle East/North Africa - beIN Sports + Premier Sports
Japan - WOWOW
Pan-Asia - Premier Sports
USA - Flo Sports
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
Haha, twisting words again. You are the one having trouble accepting when people disagree with you, not me. You always want the last word. But go on, respond again and you'll have it.
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
You see, now you're wording your opinion as an opinion, and not as a fact like you did earlier. Well done. You're learning. Do you want a stamp with that?
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How long have you two been dating?
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
Haha, twisting words again. You are the one having trouble accepting when people disagree with you, not me. You always want the last word. But go on, respond again and you'll have it.
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
You see, now you're wording your opinion as an opinion, and not as a fact like you did earlier. Well done. You're learning. Do you want a stamp with that?
Only twisting going on here is by you.
It's pretty obvious to everyone but you that me saying your opinion is mistaken is my opinion. I can't help if you decide to treat that as a fact.
I guess it's a compliment?
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the absolute best thing about us not being walk up morals for every single game any more is it has brought back the shitfights. And we are getting some very serious provincial battle lines drawn up
This place is way more fun when we lose a few, and we have across the board a bunch of guys who are all about the same level, and all have flaws that can be highlighted and exaggerated
