Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@kirwan and there will be losses of staff form Health & Education with the mandates, however, I dont think these people will be able to flee to Aus anymore?
Think of no L4, 1 billion this week 'saved' use that to get trained staff to NZ.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan and there will be losses of staff form Health & Education with the mandates, however, I dont think these people will be able to flee to Aus anymore?
Think of no L4, 1 billion this week 'saved' use that to get trained staff to NZ.
Yep, if you are going to spend 1 billion dollars friviously, spend on it on our health system. Will have benefits for after the pandemic.
As for the job losses from the madates, that does butt up against my values of personal responsibility and freedom. But I can't help thinking that people leaving in health care that refuse vaccines is a good thing, because how good at their job can they be if they don't udnerstand 3rd form science?
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You guys seen the Truman show?
Remember the scene where he goes to the travel agent and the crashing plane is on the wall?
Well here’s today’s herald. See the first story …. Then see the second. Heads up, rising cases here is a) expected and b) not one of the top 5 news stories here.
You guys are being manipulated by Cindy and her mouthpiece, the herald. Absolutely no way should that story be number 2 on the herald. No way. The article itself is completely free of context and is full of inaccurate bullshit.
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I know this is UK but an interesting article with some stats around where we may be heading.
So cases high but hospitalisations relatively low.Relativity is the key difference for us though. They had massive hospitalisations which have dropped but we have low hospitalisations which we assume will increase.
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@bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Goudie is a nutter who seems to be a climate change denier too despite representing Coromandel.
Yep, not surprising that a mediocre MP has turned to to be just as plodding in local government.
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You guys are being manipulated by Cindy and her mouthpiece, the herald.
While I get the wider point, I think (hope) most are generally aware that the Ferald isn't even the digital equivalent of fish and chip wrapping. They run opposing headlines without irony on almost a daily basis, and are tabloid quality all of the time.
I miss the days when they had some quality to them...
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@majorrage doh - The Herald ...
Plenty of news sites are asking the government awkward questions.
source: Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
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These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You guys seen the Truman show?
Remember the scene where he goes to the travel agent and the crashing plane is on the wall?
Well here’s today’s herald. See the first story …. Then see the second. Heads up, rising cases here is a) expected and b) not one of the top 5 news stories here.
You guys are being manipulated by Cindy and her mouthpiece, the herald. Absolutely no way should that story be number 2 on the herald. No way. The article itself is completely free of context and is full of inaccurate bullshit.
The term "expert" gets thrown around with abandon when it comes to covid. The one thing I can consistently count on is their prognostications are wrong.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage doh - The Herald ...
source: Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
That's great global context, I just checked Our World In Data and ... it parallels
France have done amazingly well as they have (had) high percentages resistant to vaccines.
From a quick calculation, UK can push up to about 70% at most with the program to vaccinate 12-15 years olds, not much more I feel.
Anything above 70% of total population in a Western democracy seems good. 75% excellent. Portugal is fricken amazing tbh, they must have found some way to administer it in the vino ...
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
downvote
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
downvote
Yeah.
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@booboo As infuriating as that Goudie moron is, isn't it interesting how the Murupara kaumatua who say pretty much the same thing as her get treated with respect for their views instead of getting the same derision we see in that article? Maybe if they called these people out - all of them - as out of their depth idiots we might get somewhere.
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Can anyone explain this 10% hospitalisation rate in NZ btw I hear about?
That seems insanely high to me and (without checking) way higher than global norms, even without taking into account the impact of vaccines.
Something seems wrong there, or maybe a hugely cautious approach on hospitalisations which won't be sustainable long-term?
Genuinely curious.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p 10% hospitalisation rate of unvaccinated is about right from what little research I have done. When it was first touted I did look into it enough to find it credible but can't remember where I looked sorry
Fair enough, I had a look and was surprised -
The UK winter (late 2020- early 2021) peaked at rolling 7-day avg of circa 60,000 cases a day.
Hospital admissions peaked at 4,000 a day.
At this stage no-one was vaccinated (in effect).
UK testing was pretty good by then so 6.7% hospital admissions of unvaccinated?Edit: my source is official UK government stats: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/