Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial seems like the rumours might be true – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/453576/covid-19-ashley-bloomfield-says-shorter-home-isolation-periods-likely-for-vaccinated
@dogmeat Until Delta actually arrived, I'm not entirely convinced that there was much motivation to get vaccinated on the part of New Zealanders, especially outside Auckland, no matter how much the government pushed vaccination at them. Just my reckons, but the way vaccinations suddenly skyrocketed when it was actual rather than theoretical points in that direction.
Well, there is a slight revisionism going on there. We also didn't have the vaccine in stock to have big push, in fact the government was sending out cards talking about the virtues of not rushing it.
When the demand was taken out of their control, their pathetic sourcing efforts were exposed very publically.
I particularly enjoyed CDHB being woeful and having to have the Ministry of Health kick them up the backside (I was in group 3 and they were months behind their agreed delivery plan). Agree that procurement struggled until recently. First week above 100,000 was the week ending 30 May, first week above 250,000 was the week ending 1 August, and first week above 500,000 was the week ending 29 August.
Also, I wonder how much capacity has been added to push out the high rates because places like pharmacies and GPs are not able to do their normal workloads due to Covid levels, so are vaccinating instead. The normal system was scaled up to 50,000/day for normal times, but those additional vaccinators are available as well now. Likewise clients - if they were all at work, that presumably would be a limiting factor in delivery as well.
Apparently we have approx. 1 million doses on hand, so that will do a couple of weeks at least.
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Been incentives such as grocery vouchers as prizes for months in parts of Northland, but was reading an article today (by Maori health) saying we should go back to elimination otherwise too many Maori will die...they also said what I've been saying all along, they need to take vaccines to the people, static clinics just won't get the reach.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We aren't alone in these kind of 'restrictions' by stealth. In Oz the govt has capped the number of passengers inbound on flights. If you can get a flight you get a Q space automatically but getting the flight is the bottleneck.
actually they are taking off people who have boarding passes, I am not sure if it is a state change of the cap or the feds nor do I know the % being bumped off flights to the next one (or longer) but I know it can happen within 20 hours of the flight even when checked in online.
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I have a question regards Covid, given a QLD health expert said everyone in QLD will get it..in Australia and NZ will we need a COVID equivalent of a flu shot every six months or a year? Will it just become like a normal flu? Or will our bodies eventually get used to it?
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm hearing rumours that if this push on the weekend produces positive results there may be some prizes announced on the basis of higher vax rates (lower risk).
Possibles include shorter MIQ, home iso for some (skipping the trial) and maybe some bubbles opening again.
Might be optimistic gossip but if the cases are now expected to Q at home, and they actually have the virus, how can they argue that fully vaxxed travellers with a recent tests and from a lower risk place are somehow a higher risk?
This could help in a lot of ways by increasing availabilityfor those that need it and those like migrant workers than could go straight to their accommodation at a place of work (ie fruit/veg workers) and be monitored there.Fingers crossed that the grapevine may have hit a couple of targets.
Let’s not refer to basic freedoms as prizes.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
65 today, all in Auckland.
This is not good.
Lockdown is failing.Yep. Lockdowns only work if people follow the rules and even then there is still a spread.
This one has failed because some people decided not to play the game (plus the ease that Delta spreads)True. Because people can’t be controlled for long periods of time in free countries.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mikethesnow Its some UK based Covid risk analysis. based on population data for UK.
seems reasonable. rank 81 has a 0.04% chance of death
So 81 is low?
Speaking as someone ranked 8: not low enough.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
65 today, all in Auckland.
This is not good.
Lockdown is failing.Yep. Lockdowns only work if people follow the rules and even then there is still a spread.
This one has failed because some people decided not to play the game (plus the ease that Delta spreads)True. Because people can’t be controlled for long periods of time in free countries.
And even then only if they trust those in control. When they get caught lying over and over again, compliance goes out the door.
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Pretty poor really...
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How tiresome is the Maori Party? All I see is whinge after whinge. Why don’t they lead on Covid vaccination rather than just complaining? Insufferable and it’s no wonder they have never really taken the Maori vote away from Labour.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm hearing rumours that if this push on the weekend produces positive results there may be some prizes announced on the basis of higher vax rates (lower risk).
Possibles include shorter MIQ, home iso for some (skipping the trial) and maybe some bubbles opening again.
Might be optimistic gossip but if the cases are now expected to Q at home, and they actually have the virus, how can they argue that fully vaxxed travellers with a recent tests and from a lower risk place are somehow a higher risk?
This could help in a lot of ways by increasing availabilityfor those that need it and those like migrant workers than could go straight to their accommodation at a place of work (ie fruit/veg workers) and be monitored there.Fingers crossed that the grapevine may have hit a couple of targets.
Let’s not refer to basic freedoms as prizes.
It was typed with tongue firmly in cheek.
As in that's how changes will be sold. As some kind of reward.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Pretty poor really...
Which part?
Everyone would love more health facilities. We'd love better roads and schools too.
But then we are a little country with low population .....DHBs don't seem to be able to cope that well normally can't see how there is an expectation that they can stand up new facilities and capabilities in a short period to deal with this.
The people and materials to do this then the people to run and work in increased capacity simply either don't exist or would take years.
That's why vaccination is currently the best fence at the top of the cliff. We are hoping not to have to park the ambulance at the bottom. -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial 8 ICU beds to service 193k...1 bed for every 0.004 people?
My guess is 6 of those likely in Whangarei, so 2 beds service 100k outside Greater Whangarei area.
In the precovid days I'd imagine it was cheaper to send such patients to Auckland
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial 8 ICU beds to service 193k...1 bed for every 0.004 people?
My guess is 6 of those likely in Whangarei, so 2 beds service 100k outside Greater Whangarei area.
You get to vote for your DHB reps,
It's a demand and supply thing surely? Also you wouldn't have some of the expertise and equipment to deal with some happenings which would likely get transferred to Auckland.
If 8 ICU beds have served things well up until this then that's what you need. Maybe you do need more but if it was working where do you want your $ spent? -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial you love to defend shit for the sake of it don't you?
Go back to my first post on it and what I said and tell me why what I said was wrong.
The one where you said 'pretty poor'?
I haven't defended anything.
It just seemed an out of place issue to raise as if you were complaining with no context. If that is what has served the area well up to now in the overall system then what is 'pretty poor'. That's all I was asking.
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@crucial out of place, fuck listen to yourself...Read the post FFS....it is talking about beds, vaccinations, how is it out of place, massively relevant in a region, particularly the far north where Vax rates are lower than national average and beds per head of population probably low too.