Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@frank In rural communities it might be hard to get to and the perceived risk has been very low.
You might work shifts that make it more problematic
You may be self employed and can't afford the time off.
These are all reasons that I have heard in the last 24 hours but I figure the main ones are complacency, reading too much bullshit on social media and inertia / laziness. There also people who cannot get the vax but they would be a tiny%.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Why are people not getting vaccinated (I mean outside of the conspiracy theorists) I don't get it.
Lazy? Dumb?There are also categories of difficulties in timing/transport/working for some. You have people in rural areas that see their personal risk as very low eg a farmer in the backblocks that only interacts with others face to face on sporadic occasions but would have to set aside half a day to drive out and get jabbed..
Lots of reasons including those that put off the decision as long as possible.
The conspiracy theorists are the noisy ones and are fighting to win the minds of the undecided or give excuses to others. Hopefully they are bound and gagged this weekend. -
@bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank There have been incentives given before this Super Saturday. An example in my region.
My kids got given KFC vouchers. I'll let you all add the joke about who they are targetting.
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@crucial seems like the rumours might be true – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/453576/covid-19-ashley-bloomfield-says-shorter-home-isolation-periods-likely-for-vaccinated
@dogmeat Until Delta actually arrived, I'm not entirely convinced that there was much motivation to get vaccinated on the part of New Zealanders, especially outside Auckland, no matter how much the government pushed vaccination at them. Just my reckons, but the way vaccinations suddenly skyrocketed when it was actual rather than theoretical points in that direction.
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@bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank There have been incentives given before this Super Saturday. An example in my region.
Any incentive is a good thing if it bumps up the %, and it doesn't cost anyone anything
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial seems like the rumours might be true – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/453576/covid-19-ashley-bloomfield-says-shorter-home-isolation-periods-likely-for-vaccinated
@dogmeat Until Delta actually arrived, I'm not entirely convinced that there was much motivation to get vaccinated on the part of New Zealanders, especially outside Auckland, no matter how much the government pushed vaccination at them. Just my reckons, but the way vaccinations suddenly skyrocketed when it was actual rather than theoretical points in that direction.
Well, there is a slight revisionism going on there. We also didn't have the vaccine in stock to have big push, in fact the government was sending out cards talking about the virtues of not rushing it.
When the demand was taken out of their control, their pathetic sourcing efforts were exposed very publically.
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@machpants said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
and it doesn't cost anyone anything
The cost to the health system if we get clogged up with anti-vax morons gasping their last is worth a lot of KFC vouchers!
KFC should offer up the vouchers, I'm sure the final spend for many will be far above the voucher value if they manage it right...
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mikethesnow nah 81 is high. 100 the worst.
Ta
And there’s still only a 0.04% chance of death
FFS
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial seems like the rumours might be true – https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/453576/covid-19-ashley-bloomfield-says-shorter-home-isolation-periods-likely-for-vaccinated
@dogmeat Until Delta actually arrived, I'm not entirely convinced that there was much motivation to get vaccinated on the part of New Zealanders, especially outside Auckland, no matter how much the government pushed vaccination at them. Just my reckons, but the way vaccinations suddenly skyrocketed when it was actual rather than theoretical points in that direction.
Well, there is a slight revisionism going on there. We also didn't have the vaccine in stock to have big push, in fact the government was sending out cards talking about the virtues of not rushing it.
When the demand was taken out of their control, their pathetic sourcing efforts were exposed very publically.
I particularly enjoyed CDHB being woeful and having to have the Ministry of Health kick them up the backside (I was in group 3 and they were months behind their agreed delivery plan). Agree that procurement struggled until recently. First week above 100,000 was the week ending 30 May, first week above 250,000 was the week ending 1 August, and first week above 500,000 was the week ending 29 August.
Also, I wonder how much capacity has been added to push out the high rates because places like pharmacies and GPs are not able to do their normal workloads due to Covid levels, so are vaccinating instead. The normal system was scaled up to 50,000/day for normal times, but those additional vaccinators are available as well now. Likewise clients - if they were all at work, that presumably would be a limiting factor in delivery as well.
Apparently we have approx. 1 million doses on hand, so that will do a couple of weeks at least.
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Been incentives such as grocery vouchers as prizes for months in parts of Northland, but was reading an article today (by Maori health) saying we should go back to elimination otherwise too many Maori will die...they also said what I've been saying all along, they need to take vaccines to the people, static clinics just won't get the reach.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We aren't alone in these kind of 'restrictions' by stealth. In Oz the govt has capped the number of passengers inbound on flights. If you can get a flight you get a Q space automatically but getting the flight is the bottleneck.
actually they are taking off people who have boarding passes, I am not sure if it is a state change of the cap or the feds nor do I know the % being bumped off flights to the next one (or longer) but I know it can happen within 20 hours of the flight even when checked in online.
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I have a question regards Covid, given a QLD health expert said everyone in QLD will get it..in Australia and NZ will we need a COVID equivalent of a flu shot every six months or a year? Will it just become like a normal flu? Or will our bodies eventually get used to it?
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm hearing rumours that if this push on the weekend produces positive results there may be some prizes announced on the basis of higher vax rates (lower risk).
Possibles include shorter MIQ, home iso for some (skipping the trial) and maybe some bubbles opening again.
Might be optimistic gossip but if the cases are now expected to Q at home, and they actually have the virus, how can they argue that fully vaxxed travellers with a recent tests and from a lower risk place are somehow a higher risk?
This could help in a lot of ways by increasing availabilityfor those that need it and those like migrant workers than could go straight to their accommodation at a place of work (ie fruit/veg workers) and be monitored there.Fingers crossed that the grapevine may have hit a couple of targets.
Let’s not refer to basic freedoms as prizes.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
65 today, all in Auckland.
This is not good.
Lockdown is failing.Yep. Lockdowns only work if people follow the rules and even then there is still a spread.
This one has failed because some people decided not to play the game (plus the ease that Delta spreads)True. Because people can’t be controlled for long periods of time in free countries.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mikethesnow Its some UK based Covid risk analysis. based on population data for UK.
seems reasonable. rank 81 has a 0.04% chance of death
So 81 is low?
Speaking as someone ranked 8: not low enough.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
65 today, all in Auckland.
This is not good.
Lockdown is failing.Yep. Lockdowns only work if people follow the rules and even then there is still a spread.
This one has failed because some people decided not to play the game (plus the ease that Delta spreads)True. Because people can’t be controlled for long periods of time in free countries.
And even then only if they trust those in control. When they get caught lying over and over again, compliance goes out the door.
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Pretty poor really...
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How tiresome is the Maori Party? All I see is whinge after whinge. Why don’t they lead on Covid vaccination rather than just complaining? Insufferable and it’s no wonder they have never really taken the Maori vote away from Labour.