Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@jegga said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Remember when the government said we would be at the front of the queue for vaccines?
Then when it was obvious that we were no where near the front of the queue they tried to pretend that it was because they were being benevolent to other countries and we’d done so well we didn’t need to get to the front of the queue ?
This bullshit was actually in a vaccine pamphlet when the vaccine rollout was proceeding at a glacial pace
Now it turns out we were never at the front of the queue and we didn’t bother talking to Pfizer for six weeks which was after everyone else got their orders in and made our procurement late and therefore more time for our failure of an MIQ setup to let Delta in .
Seriously, fuck these incompetents and the people that themselves out trying to make excuses for them .
There's plenty of spin there (in the various materials and statements), but Pfizer only started phase 3 trials in late July 2020 - they were in no position to sell anything yet.
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@godder thanks, appreciated. How did you find it by the way - I struggled through the Covid site, and google didn't get the updated version easily.
We're trying to do the right thing, but there isn't much in there. Lots of confusion about using toilets, distancing, popping bubbles, etc.
Ah well, we'll see how it goes,
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Interesting Singapore comparison article for the moving forward.
Decent article, shows that everyone is managing it based on healthcare capacity.
"Singapore reimposed restrictions when health capacity was pressured. Germany also has a rules-based approach – using up 10% of ICU capacity in a day triggers strict domestic and border restrictions."
Some chance we'll see "Plan B" winter controls in the UK if there's a surge - masking and working from home. Although it's always mentioned as a bit of a "stick", I also can't see vaccine passports being used here internally, only for international travel.
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I love that you can have friends over to your back yard, but if any of them need to take a shit they'll have to dig a hole somewhere.
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I love that you can have friends over to your back yard, but if any of them need to take a shit they'll have to dig a hole somewhere.
This isn't just standard practice? No wonder I used to get weird looks.
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This aged well
In New Zealand, we're in a special situation. We don't have to give emergency approval. We can take a step back and look at all the evidence before we make a decision on whether this vaccine is safe and effective enough. It's not a foregone conclusion ... and it shows we're doing our own homework, and not relying on other countries to do it for us.
"The situation in New Zealand is such that we can wait, if we have to.
"No one is dying if we wait. Whereas in other countries, even if the vaccine was less safe, they may give authorisation because it would save more lives in the net."
Daalder points out the moral imperative too: the whole world wants to get their hands on Covid vaccines. But, to put it simply, other countries need it more than New Zealand at this point.
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Or this , i am shocked, shocked I tell you that this the same people behind the enormous success of Kiwibuild which has built to date (checks notes) …...1000 houses? Wtf ?
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has defended New Zealand’s slow roll out of the Covid-19 vaccine, insisting its not a level playing field between countries.
New Zealand is well below fellow OECD countries when it comes to our vaccination rates per capita.
That’s compared to the likes of Israel with 60.97 per cent, France at 13.58 per cent and Ireland with 12.90 per cent of people vaccinated on a per capita basis.
Ardern bit back at criticism, highlighting the importance of ensuring nations hit hardest by Covid-19 have access to the vaccine.
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From Hipkins per Stuff "Hipkins said they're not moving away from elimination, the approach is still Covid zero, but as vaccination rates increase, the way we express zero tolerance changes"
What does this actually mean? We're hoping it goes away but know it probably won't?
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@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
From Hipkins per Stuff "Hipkins said they're not moving away from elimination, the approach is still Covid zero, but as vaccination rates increase, the way we express zero tolerance changes"
What does this actually mean? We're hoping it goes away but know it probably won't?
It means that they are actually moving away from elimination but if they outright come and say it they will be called racist, so they prefer to be now seen as limiting, not throwing open the door and inviting the virus to visit. On this one, reacting as it incrementally gets worse is politically 'better' than being proactive.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
From Hipkins per Stuff "Hipkins said they're not moving away from elimination, the approach is still Covid zero, but as vaccination rates increase, the way we express zero tolerance changes"
What does this actually mean? We're hoping it goes away but know it probably won't?
It means that they are actually moving away from elimination but if they outright come and say it they will be called racist, so they prefer to be now seen as limiting, not throwing open the door and inviting the virus to visit. On this one, reacting as it incrementally gets worse is politically 'better' than being proactive.
I read something in the Guardian related to this in NZ ... I know it's pure politics but I struggle with any kind of "racist" angle on Covid once everyone has had the opportunity to get the vaccine, especially if you eliminate other morbidity factors like obesity. We had a bit of the race angle earlier in the UK. If anything I'm a woke liberal leftie but the science says the virus doesn't seem to give a sh*t what colour you are though ...
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@l_n_p dont know if this is geoblocked for you...
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@taniwharugby I watched it via VPN. I totally don't disregard the underlying institutional healthcare issues as we have them in the UK too, but it looks like the type of fluffy stuff we get here. A decent interviewer would have asked her "Okay got it. There's a need to catch up, how long do you need and what tools do you need to get to X (say 75) percent, best guess?"
btw I assume it's not just Maori, but NZ's Pacific Island populations too?
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@l_n_p looking at the data, Maori lag behind PI, worst age group for Maori is 20-34 age group
I think part of it is Maori will tend to live in rural/remote communities, whereas the Island communities tend to be more in cities, and for the Maori to get to a Vax centre in some cases could be an hour drive, and if some these people are on a benefit (sickness, unemployment) they arent just gonna jump in thier car and drive to the nearest vax centre...now I believe there is a bus driving around Northland, they need to up this (here, East Cape, parts of BOP and HB etc) and get it out to these isolated communities, at the Marae, local Halls and get to these people this way.
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There was a lot of ongoing analysis of low vaccination and vaccination hesitant groups here i.e. by ethnicity, age, geography etc leading to targetted information and pop-up clinics - mobile clinics, and local community centers.
My teenage daughter used one to get her first shot a bit early as they had a refreshingly flexible approach vs the main UK age/risk prioritisation ... basically "the more the merrier" in the pop-ups.
So race here was a factor influencing healthcare policy and targetting, but not influencing overall government policy and milestones on releasing controls ... I guess that's the difference I'm hearing.