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Unfortunate timing but I would guess this has been in the works for months.
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I know a lot about this fiasco and neither the Skpath Trust or WK come out of it looking very good I'm afraid.
My brother has the other property yet to be sold. As he's overseas I have attended meetings going back years. Let's just say (not wanting to get the Fern in schtook) that everyone pushed their own agenda's very hard and were economical with the truth at times.
There's no beating about the bush ; despite protestations to the contrary, Skypath cared nothing about pedestrians, tourists or anything at all that could prevent their supporters racing across the bridge. They have told me as much. Nothing was to impede their (rapid) progress. Their financial projections were fairy dust and contradicted their other positions. Basically none of the case stacked up and having seen 'detailed' plans $1.6 for their IP was very... generous.
WK have lied to me, to my face, about their intent and have never had any intent to build what they have publicly proposed IMO. They initially offered my brother (who admittedly has an innate ability to piss people off) below a 2017 GV.
Having had a lot of dealings with WK over the years (not just on this) they seem to be stuck in a 20th century mindset of cars rule. Too many of their planners seem to get their jollies from building motorways and they ignore, derail (pun intended) or delay everything else. It's like they've never heard of; or don't care about, concepts like induced demand.
For the record I (& my brother) would really like a walking and cycling link across the harbour.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I know a lot about this fiasco and neither the Skpath Trust or WK come out of it looking very good I'm afraid.
I'm not surprised. Politics have been all of this thing from the start.
For the record I (& my brother) would really like a walking and cycling link across the harbour.
So do I! But not at $785M, when the cycling connections elsewhere are so crap.
Thanks - interesting post and comments
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@nzzp Not helped by AT disbanding their cycling team. They haven't even managed to build everything promised under John Key's cycling programme - which they were given funding to do.
Unfortunately the NIMBY's in places like Mission Bay and West Lynn have also stymied progress but it seems like cycling infrastructure in Akl is either built as part of a motorway project for the visuals or consists of a white line near the kerb.
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@godder said in NZ Politics:
Unfortunate timing but I would guess this has been in the works for months.
Very idiotic to want the voting age lowered to 16.
I do like the idea of moving to four year terms, three is too short.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
Unfortunate timing but I would guess this has been in the works for months.
Very idiotic to want the voting age lowered to 16.
I do like the idea of moving to four year terms, three is too short.
Having 18 yo I'd question if that is even old enough.
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
Unfortunate timing but I would guess this has been in the works for months.
Very idiotic to want the voting age lowered to 16.
I do like the idea of moving to four year terms, three is too short.
Having 18 yo I'd question if that is even old enough.
I was just saying the same to the wife.
I assume Labour think young dumb kids would vote for them?
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
Unfortunate timing but I would guess this has been in the works for months.
Very idiotic to want the voting age lowered to 16.
I do like the idea of moving to four year terms, three is too short.
Having 18 yo I'd question if that is even old enough.
I was just saying the same to the wife.
I assume Labour think young dumb kids would vote for them?
They do. Young people break hard to the left. I sure as hell do, you are naive and idealistic, without much appreciation of how the real world works.
People often move past it; there's a reason old people vote for Winston and National
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
Unfortunate timing but I would guess this has been in the works for months.
Very idiotic to want the voting age lowered to 16.
I do like the idea of moving to four year terms, three is too short.
Having 18 yo I'd question if that is even old enough.
I was just saying the same to the wife.
I assume Labour think young dumb kids would vote for them?
If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
Unfortunate timing but I would guess this has been in the works for months.
Very idiotic to want the voting age lowered to 16.
I do like the idea of moving to four year terms, three is too short.
Having 18 yo I'd question if that is even old enough.
I was just saying the same to the wife.
I assume Labour think young dumb kids would vote for them?
If you're not a socialist at 20 you have no heart
If you're not a conservative by 40 you have no brainOr words to that effect
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@jegga said in NZ Politics:
Is that the approved narrative Labour fanboys are using to convince themselves this is a good idea ? . Let’s see how you feel when National get back in power and start using this legislation to pork barrel wins in marginal seats .
I can't comment on current NZ politics, but I worked in the govt-run NZ Post Office in the 70-80's and the number of new telephone exchanges and infrastructure that we installed in marginal seats in election years was quite miraculous.
Pretty much the same thing happens in the UK with the centrally-run Health Service an new hospitals/health Centres
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@godder said in NZ Politics:
I'm sure they'll invite submissions, a bunch of people will rail against the youth of today, and one of the conclusions will be that there is no support for it.
It's nothing to do with the "youth of today". Sixteen year olds have always been stupid because they have not finished developing mentally and have little experience of life.
The Greens and, I assume, Labour appear to be trying to captitalise on that naivety. Shame on them.
Seymour also made a good point about having enough people voting that don't pay tax. It's a fair point.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
I'm sure they'll invite submissions, a bunch of people will rail against the youth of today, and one of the conclusions will be that there is no support for it.
It's nothing to do with the "youth of today". Sixteen year olds have always been stupid because they have not finished developing mentally and have little experience of life.
The Greens and, I assume, Labour appear to be trying to captitalise on that naivety. Shame on them.
Seymour also made a good point about having enough people voting that don't pay tax. It's a fair point.
It's nearly impossible to live in NZ and not to pay some tax, even if it's just GST. I'm sure there are a few people who live totally off grid without needing to buy electricity, fuel or food, but not many. If he's trying to talk about net taxpayers (as in people who receive more support from the government than they pay in tax e.g. working for families, beneficiaries, superannuitants, accommodation supplement), those calculations almost never include GST or excise/fuel taxes, and when they do, the number of net non-taxpayers plummets. If we consider all state support and subsidies over a lifetime (education, healthcare, super etc), most citizens born here break even across their whole life i.e. are not net taxpayers.
You personally have a considered opinion based on evidence and facts about the voting age, and should definitely make a submission. While I hold the same hope for the general populace, my flippant remark about the youth of today is based on my observations (anecdata as one might call it) of many of the arguments I have seen, which suggests to me at least that my hope there might be optimistic.
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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
It's nothing to do with the "youth of today". Sixteen year olds have always been stupid because they have not finished developing mentally and have little experience of life.
and controlled by hormones (and 5G chips if they got the vaccine)
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jegga if someone isn’t fired over that it will be a disgrace
I stopped expecting competence or accountability from these people along time ago . I just wish they looked after the rest of us like they look after the gangs
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@jegga while the optics are terrible I can actually see a point to getting a gang leader to tell gang members to get jabbed. As long as that's what he did and all he did.
The Panel on National Radio had a listener poll on lowering the voting age to 16 and apparently 60% were in favour.
I reckon they misheard and thought the moot was "should the voting age be changed to 60?"!
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