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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido when I went in to the Economist they actually have NZ twice on that graph once at 65.3 and once at 61...
Here's latest from WID
Is that % of total population or over 12's? Here in Aus we are more focussed on 16+ which to me is more relevant. Australia wide that number is 64% 1st, 39.4% 2nd.
More importantly in NSW we are 76% / 43% and about a month away from hitting 70% double dosed
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This shows the challenges
Willingness to get vaccinated - admittedly from relatively small samples and only surveyed the over 18's
It appears that in western countries between 1/5 to a 1/4 of the total population will not get vaccinated. For Europe as a whole 15% of the total population is 15 or under. So maybe 12% of the population (kids) are an incubator as they can't be vaccinated and a further 20% will chose not to get jabbed.
As I said it's a small sample size and Aussies results suggest fear is a great motivator, but given what Europe's been through you'd figure anyone categorically against being vaccinated can't be scared into it.
Suggests a lot of jurisdictions have peaked out.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Is that % of total population or over 12's? Here in Aus we are more focussed on 16+ which to me is more relevant. Australia wide that number is 64% 1st, 39.4% 2nd.
That OWID chart is % of total population.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo yeah I think they measure it from those eligible, which since 1st September, is everyone 12+
Not on that chart. E.g. Ireland is 90% of over 12s, but 75% total population.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Not to start a fight, and not directed at you personally, but to an extent NZ is saying exactly this. I haven't see a groundswell of pressure on the Government to run hell-for-leather at vaccinating then to open borders as soon as some threshold is reached. Have I missed that?
Got the first bit. Don't think the people of NZ are saying that (anymore at least) and yes I would love to know the number as well. It has been asked many times. Just not answered by government.
Yes there is a groundswell I would say anecdotally. Hit a Vax number and let us out.
There has also been a massive surge in Vax numbers, but nobody says what the target is. So that is socially responsible citizens getting jabbed, not government intervention. TBF at least it is readily available.
Sorry about your situation mate. It sucks, as you know we have been there. The feeling of helplessness is the worst.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Not to start a fight, and not directed at you personally, but to an extent NZ is saying exactly this. I haven't see a groundswell of pressure on the Government to run hell-for-leather at vaccinating then to open borders as soon as some threshold is reached. Have I missed that?
Got the first bit. Don't think the people of NZ are saying that (anymore at least) and yes I would love to know the number as well. It has been asked many times. Just not answered by government.
> Yes there is a groundswell I would say anecdotally. Hit a Vax number and let us out.
There has also been a massive surge in Vax numbers, but nobody says what the target is. So that is socially responsible citizens getting jabbed, not government intervention. TBF at least it is readily available.
Sorry about your situation mate. It sucks, as you know we have been there. The feeling of helplessness is the worst.
I hope that's right!
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I hope that's right!
A shame that we don't have functioning press to represent us to the government ay.
Too many sipping the Cindy Kool Aid
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido when I went in to the Economist they actually have NZ twice on that graph once at 65.3 and once at 61...
Here's latest from WID
Is that % of total population or over 12's? Here in Aus we are more focussed on 16+ which to me is more relevant. Australia wide that number is 64% 1st, 39.4% 2nd.
More importantly in NSW we are 76% / 43% and about a month away from hitting 70% double dosed
Once again the elephant in the room: vaccination numbers do not take into account natural immunity from recovered infection. In NZ, that number is essentially zero. So in Europe 25% not vaccinated but many have already had Covid. I wish a journalist would ask Bloomfield and the like about that aspect.
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@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido when I went in to the Economist they actually have NZ twice on that graph once at 65.3 and once at 61...
Here's latest from WID
Is that % of total population or over 12's? Here in Aus we are more focussed on 16+ which to me is more relevant. Australia wide that number is 64% 1st, 39.4% 2nd.
More importantly in NSW we are 76% / 43% and about a month away from hitting 70% double dosed
Once again the elephant in the room: vaccination numbers do not take into account natural immunity from recovered infection. In NZ, that number is essentially zero. So in Europe 25% not vaccinated but many have already had Covid. I wish a journalist would ask Bloomfield and the like about that aspect.
Natural immunity appears to be a very important piece of the puzzle that doesn't seem to have been factored into NZs approach. Other countries are in a much better position to open up because of it.
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido when I went in to the Economist they actually have NZ twice on that graph once at 65.3 and once at 61...
Here's latest from WID
Is that % of total population or over 12's? Here in Aus we are more focussed on 16+ which to me is more relevant. Australia wide that number is 64% 1st, 39.4% 2nd.
More importantly in NSW we are 76% / 43% and about a month away from hitting 70% double dosed
Once again the elephant in the room: vaccination numbers do not take into account natural immunity from recovered infection. In NZ, that number is essentially zero. So in Europe 25% not vaccinated but many have already had Covid. I wish a journalist would ask Bloomfield and the like about that aspect.
Natural immunity appears to be a very important piece of the puzzle that doesn't seem to have been factored into NZs approach. Other countries are in a much better position to open up because of it.
I expect we can avoid a lot of the mortality that other countries have had if we get our vaxx rollout right. But we need to expect to all get covid19 in order to move forward, I don't think it is being communicated by Bloomfield, Ardern or the media
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@no-quarter and I think Sweden is a good example, especially as a country that havent had a lock down at all (I believe) and were heavily criticsed early on for thier approach, obviously they have had alot of deaths, currently sitting at 57.5% fully vaccinated...circa 11% of the population have had Covid (assuming no double infected)
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
13 cases today, all in Auckland, hospitalisation, ICU and ventilator numbers have dropped.
250,000 Pfizer doses en route from Spain, should arrive in Auckland tomorrow morning, bigger deal in the works, hoping to announce shortly.
Vamos!
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
13 cases today, all in Auckland, hospitalisation, ICU and ventilator numbers have dropped.
250,000 Pfizer doses en route from Spain, should arrive in Auckland tomorrow morning, bigger deal in the works, hoping to announce shortly.
Vamos!
Apparently nobody expected the Spanish Requisition...
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
13 cases today, all in Auckland, hospitalisation, ICU and ventilator numbers have dropped.
250,000 Pfizer doses en route from Spain, should arrive in Auckland tomorrow morning, bigger deal in the works, hoping to announce shortly.
Vamos!
Apparently nobody expected the Spanish Requisition...
BEAUTIFUL!!!
Coronavirus - New Zealand