Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)
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@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo it is s a nefarious plot to shut the Fern down through apathy over nothing to rant about.
Let’s just wait and see. Remember what happened on here after the last game we played in Perth where there was the long awaited selection of a Barrett at 15 along with Ioane at 11, a fullback style 14 and another Barrett at lock.
The AB selection (and TSF) meltdown really accelerated after that game.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
There is s disturbing lack of opprobrium for Foster's directorial ability. I've read some people liking the team ...
TBF it's not his selection policies that have attracted the most criticism. God knows Henry made some howlers.
I'll agree it's not attracted the most... but he had copped plenty
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@canes4life said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Does anyone know if this game's a sellout?
yup 3 times!
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@canes4life said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Does anyone know if this game's a sellout?
There's still seats available but I'd guesstimate >90% have been sold already. https://www.ticketmaster.com.au/event/25005ABAD83121F2
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lets be honest, NZ is in a no win situation in this test.
We win, and everyone laments how shit Aus were and we shoulda won by more.
We lose and Fozzie is shit and cant believe they re-appointed him.
For me, its the tests v Arg, but more SA that I'm interested in, just like other teams like to measure themselves against us, I think we always like to measure ourselves against SA, and thier legend has certainly grown since winning the RWC and thier absence last year.
I'd like us to win in a 32-25 type match as we build toward Aregntina and SA
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I'm looking forward to this game because it feels like NZ are now stopping faffing around with dual playmaker BS and just picking the best players for each position again. Mainly.
Loving to see Havilli as a true Second Five, rather than a bosh merchant though if we adds that too he's... Nonu v2? But he looks a natural there.
Think the 6-7-8 balance looks excellent, not convinced by Ardie Savea as a starter and never have been. Prefer both Paps and Cane at seven, give Jacobson a run at eight
And if I ever see Jordie on the wing again I might have to support England. Yes, AB selection was getting that bad.
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@taniwharugby I haven’t really gotten over the English overpowering us at the World Cup. Prior to that we had a few escapes vs Boks where we struggled with their power game. Since then I don’t know that we have progressed. To some extent you have to match the power in the forwards at set piece but then get our running game going. I think Damien Mckenzie was their big idea but he lacks the consistency to be relied upon, as that creative player. That said we are still at our best when the backs are instinctive but with better decision making and execution than recently. No stability lately is an issue and we don’t have the experience and class that the Carter, Nonu and Smith combination had. And, as always, it starts with the forwards, and again only Whitelock ( who is not there ) and maybe Taylor are tried and true. We are definitely rebuilding so the opportunity is their for so many to step up - just hard to get a feel for whether this team has something special in them. If Akira doesn’t fire against Bok’s, that would be a bummer. Looking forward to that game.
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@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@taniwharugby I haven’t really gotten over the English overpowering us at the World Cup. Prior to that we had a few escapes vs Boks where we struggled with their power game. Since then I don’t know that we have progressed. To some extent you have to match the power in the forwards at set piece but then get our running game going. I think Damien Mckenzie was their big idea but he lacks the consistency to be relied upon, as that creative player. That said we are still at our best when the backs are instinctive but with better decision making and execution than recently. No stability lately is an issue and we don’t have the experience and class that the Carter, Nonu and Smith combination had. And, as always, it starts with the forwards, and again only Whitelock ( who is not there ) and maybe Taylor are tried and true. We are definitely rebuilding so the opportunity is their for so many to step up - just hard to get a feel for whether this team has something special in them. If Akira doesn’t fire against Bok’s, that would be a bummer. Looking forward to that game.
Guys like Carter are outliers in any rugby discussion but consistency and class comes through combinations and experience. Nonu developed over time. Nonu and Smith also developed because they were allowed to. It was only after 2011 imo people started to really notice how bl**dy good they were individually (both, esp Nonu) and as a team.
NZ has been chopping and changing at 12-13 and tbh all over the place for ... how long? No one has been able to hold down 6. ABs vs England RWC just one example and totally exposed by it.
Akira strikes me as a confidence player who needs to feel fully and 100% part of a group. He has all the attributes (mental confidence aside) to be the real deal and starting to show it. If you cut him after the odd average game you'll destroy what he's starting to show. Not everyone has the mental steel of McCaw.
Not convinced all the AB parts are there but I see some combinations just forming. I'd keep 9-10 (AS, RM) and 12-13 (DH, ALB) as stable as possible and ... and EVEN if I'm not 100% on Ardie as a starting 8, keep 6-7-8 pretty stable too (until Sam Cane is back).
Locks are fine, but lose PT from the squad and develop someone else. Anyone else tbh.
Tell Rieko he's primarily a winger at AB level. Let Beauden and Jordie battle it out for starting 15 in the "top" side. Massage Beauden's ego as needed with the odd game at 10. If he can't handle it I've seen no evidence in years he's worth the $$$$ he is no doubt on.
If BB's best role is off the bench (imo it is), DMac is not in the 23.There you go ... all sorted, and I wouldn't even call myself a Kiwi!!!
Any questions before I send the bill to Fozzie??
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This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
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@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@tim One player I don't worry about is Brodie. To a certain extent he's been rushed back in I feel. I think we'll know where he's at in the Bok games ... they will be huge.
He's hardly looked out of place either, just rusty.
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@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
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@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
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@tim said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris Big test for Retallick too. Can he step up?
I should imagine he'll play for 60 and Scott will be asked to see the game through. I think Brodie and the young Tupou Vaa'i are too alike.
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@nepia said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@tim One player I don't worry about is Brodie. To a certain extent he's been rushed back in I feel. I think we'll know where he's at in the Bok games ... they will be huge.
He's hardly looked out of place either, just rusty.
+1000. Beyond the physicality and what you want in a lock (lineout, cleanouts, carrying etc), his skillset has literally redefined what an ideal international modern lock looks like even now. All time great for me.
He just needs time to count his ill-gotten Japanese Yen, bulk up a bit and dust off the rust.
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@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@kev said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@taniwharugby I haven’t really gotten over the English overpowering us at the World Cup. Prior to that we had a few escapes vs Boks where we struggled with their power game. Since then I don’t know that we have progressed. To some extent you have to match the power in the forwards at set piece but then get our running game going. I think Damien Mckenzie was their big idea but he lacks the consistency to be relied upon, as that creative player. That said we are still at our best when the backs are instinctive but with better decision making and execution than recently. No stability lately is an issue and we don’t have the experience and class that the Carter, Nonu and Smith combination had. And, as always, it starts with the forwards, and again only Whitelock ( who is not there ) and maybe Taylor are tried and true. We are definitely rebuilding so the opportunity is their for so many to step up - just hard to get a feel for whether this team has something special in them. If Akira doesn’t fire against Bok’s, that would be a bummer. Looking forward to that game.
Guys like Carter are outliers in any rugby discussion but consistency and class comes through combinations and experience. Nonu developed over time. Nonu and Smith also developed because they were allowed to. It was only after 2011 imo people started to really notice how bl**dy good they were individually (both, esp Nonu) and as a team.
NZ has been chopping and changing at 12-13 and tbh all over the place for ... how long? No one has been able to hold down 6. ABs vs England RWC just one example and totally exposed by it.
Akira strikes me as a confidence player who needs to feel fully and 100% part of a group. He has all the attributes (mental confidence aside) to be the real deal and starting to show it. If you cut him after the odd average game you'll destroy what he's starting to show. Not everyone has the mental steel of McCaw.
Not convinced all the AB parts are there but I see some combinations just forming. I'd keep 9-10 (AS, RM) and 12-13 (DH, ALB) as stable as possible and ... and EVEN if I'm not 100% on Ardie as a starting 8, keep 6-7-8 pretty stable too (until Sam Cane is back).
Locks are fine, but lose PT from the squad and develop someone else. Anyone else tbh.
Tell Rieko he's primarily a winger at AB level. Let Beauden and Jordie battle it out for starting 15 in the "top" side. Massage Beauden's ego as needed with the odd game at 10. If he can't handle it I've seen no evidence in years he's worth the $$$$ he is no doubt on.
If BB's best role is off the bench (imo it is), DMac is not in the 23.There you go ... all sorted, and I wouldn't even call myself a Kiwi!!!
Any questions before I send the bill to Fozzie??
But world famous in New Zilland
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@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
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@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
