Black Caps - Bangladesh tour 2021
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They need at least 9 more runs:
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That's a really weak team we've put out there, little wonder we are struggling. They are pretty tough to beat in the shorter forms in their own conditions.
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A grim looking squad. Short of Finn Allen making a miraculously fast recovery, or swapping in Scott Kuggeleijin for one of the tail, there's no other batting depth to bring in. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/new-zealand-in-bangladesh-2021-1272089/new-zealand-t20i-squad-1272732/series-squads
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@majorrage said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Regardless of team, this really is one of our most embarrassing results ever. That team is the Black Caps, not Black Caps A.
Not sure that's the case after Australia's specialists got absolutely smoked by them. They are really really good in home conditions, very hard to beat.
If we were serious about this (and I don't think we were), a few weeks of warmup would be needed to really get to grips with their pitches. But we're not, it's a cash grab, like most T20.
Still embarrassing, but not our most embarrassing
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Its embarrassing all right but also the nature of touring bangledesh at the moment. They made a mess of Aus 4-1, are match hardened and playing at home on some pretty shonky pitches. And then we send a B team over in disguise and call them the Black Caps.
We are probably lucky its not shown on sky here
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Hmmmmm as if to completely contradict my earlier post I looked closer and I see Blundell, Young, Latham and Nicholls were all playing ? That’s not ideal given they’re all established ( or soon to now that Watling has gone ) Black Caps.
None of them are in the T20 world cup team are they? Don't get me wrong, some of them should have put up more of a fight, and they'll get there chance with all games in the series apparently at the same venue...
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Hmmmmm as if to completely contradict my earlier post I looked closer and I see Blundell, Young, Latham and Nicholls were all playing ? That’s not ideal given they’re all established ( or soon to now that Watling has gone ) Black Caps.
None of them are in the T20 world cup team are they? Don't get me wrong, some of them should have put up more of a fight, and they'll get there chance with all games in the series apparently at the same venue...
The mystery of Doug Bracewells selection rears its head too……
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@majorrage said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Regardless of team, this really is one of our most embarrassing results ever. That team is the Black Caps, not Black Caps A.
Not sure that's the case after Australia's specialists got absolutely smoked by them. They are really really good in home conditions, very hard to beat.
If we were serious about this (and I don't think we were), a few weeks of warmup would be needed to really get to grips with their pitches. But we're not, it's a cash grab, like most T20.
Still embarrassing, but not our most embarrassing
No warmup in covid times, too hard.
They don't really do warm ups, anyway, even in normal times.
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From info I have gleaned from other cricket forum.
The NZ Cricket Players Association have an agreement with NZC that players can't do 3 consecutive (or maybe back to back) away tours. I think this means 3 different quarantines/bubbles.
As this tour is going Bangladesh > Pakistan > UAE, that means there are 3.
What this means, is all 16 players from T20Wc weren't available.
This is fair enough for most. Those who are playing IPL and CPL (Phillips & Seiffert) will be getting plenty of cricket anyway and a better prep as Bangladesh produce wickets unlike any other T20 pitch in the world.
However. Where this falls through. Is that Mark Chapman and Todd Astle (who will have barely any cricket under their belt) also couldn't do this tour segment, but will do Pakistan and UAE.
This team will clearly struggle regardless. But to have 6 seamers for these conditions (up to 7 with Henry replacing Allen) and only 3 spin options for the whole tour is bonkers. Which is where I'm upset about Chapman and Astle. Even a Super Smash or Plunket Shield spinner instead of one of Kuggeleijn. Bennett, Tickner would be a better tour option. Sommerville as the old head would be a better option than Bennett as the old head. Once we are getting to 5th and 6th spin options for NZ, obviously things get thin for a country like us, but no use throwing too many seamers into an environment where their captain won't even want to bowl them. M Bracewell (part time spinner wasn't available due to baby birth, not sure who he was preferred to). Should have chosen Sommerville, or Lennox ahead of one of the seamers.
So, even with all the self imposed restrictions, they still left themselves short in their squad makeup, IMO.
I really enjoyed watching Ajaz bowl in helpful conditions last night. But unfortunately for all 5 matches (if we make it last the 20 overs), the captain will have to reluctantly give the ball to some raw seamers to get through 8 overs of seam per match.
The batsmen need to aim for team total of around 100, Disappointed with Nicholls and McConchie dismissals in this context, even Ravindra to an extent (pushing for a single first ball rather than blocking), this is not normal T20, recalibrate, should have known this in advance from the Aus series.
They'll get better. They've just come out of winter, then hotel isolation for 5 days in Dhaka, then a few days training.
But with too few spin options, even a 1-4 loss looks a tad too far IMO. Hope I'm not too pessimisitic.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Hmmmmm as if to completely contradict my earlier post I looked closer and I see Blundell, Young, Latham and Nicholls were all playing ? That’s not ideal given they’re all established ( or soon to now that Watling has gone ) Black Caps.
None of them are in the T20 world cup team are they? Don't get me wrong, some of them should have put up more of a fight, and they'll get there chance with all games in the series apparently at the same venue...
The mystery of Doug Bracewells selection rears its head too……
Basically a forgotten man since Hobart
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@rapido Too many soft dismissals, they need to bat like a 4 day game or test, or at least apply themselves to that level. Anything around 130 to 150 will be a nightmare on that pitch
true, a nightmare.
110 should win.
100 good chance.
90, a bit of a chance (we'd struggle chasing that, them not so much)
80, better than nothing.
60, no chance.They knew that, talk by them before series was about that. Even the squad makeup of some of the batting options (their career domestic strike rates; Ravindra, Nicholls, McConchie, Blundell, reflected that knowledge of the different reality) Just 'didn't execute'.
