Coronavirus - New Zealand
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Is there a breakdown of number of tests taken vs number of cases detected? Ideally the number of tests would be consistent, with cases dropping, but if less people are being tested then lower case numbers doesn't tell us much.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that they don't want a message of 'we are running out' but why not just a truthful one of 'if we continue at this unexpected high rate due to unbooked vaccinations (which is good) we could get gaps in the supply chain. We have more than enough to meet the booked rollout and may have to manage some areas to just bookings until the big supply arrives in a couple of weeks.'
That's what Cindy was saying on National Radio earlier. Or it may have been Hipkins. Or even Verrall.
Unless I see their teeth I can't tell.
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@no-quarter not necessarily, we are now over 2 weeks since the original location of interest, 2 weeks into a strict lockdown, the vast majority of those already tested will have been over thier 2 tests and 14 day isolation, as will most of thier contacts, as people stop moving about then the contact points diminish too.
Initially we were getting people who were deemed close contacts (remember the way they viewed this changed considerably, bringing way more people into the frame) tested, plus those who werent at any location but werent feeling well were getting tested.
Now with the locations of interest dropping, and people in L4, then those potentially exposed should be dropping too.
Girl from my work was at Sky City 18 hours after the 'original case' was there, but she was considered a close contact and had to have 2 tests and isolate for 14 days, which ended on Sunday just gone.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
takeaways at Level 3 tomorrow...
Oh fuck off.
I was grumpy anyway Don. Not personal, just hungry and getting sick of cooking. Two more bloody weeks - thanks George, for the saying.
Has anyone got any idea what I do about a moron old lady that works for me and won't get a jab? This woman flat out refuses, she isn't all that healthy and her partner is seriously sick with Parkinson's. She is likely to end up killing both of them (yes improvement in IQ all around) but she is actually good at her job and I don't want to lose her. Cant force her into it so WTF do you do? Can't fire her, can't hold back holiday pay, just fucking helpless.
Will add that she brings a shitload of knowledge and money to the business. Just a stubborn uneducated old cow. I'm so bloody angry.
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@snowy hard to know where to go with that. What pressure poijt can you use that hasn't worked?
You will possibly die? If you do your partner is farked without you?
You could get sick and give it to him and he'll die?
Do it for the team?Difficult
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Would a deadline being given to the unjabbed that after x date, we are opening the borders, help them do it quicker (provided NZ has enough vaccine)?
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@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and farmer was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy hard to know where to go with that. What pressure poijt can you use that hasn't worked?
You will possibly die? If you do your partner is farked without you?
You could get sick and give it to him and he'll die?
Do it for the team?Difficult
Tried most of that unfortunately. No joy.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered...
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
Just called my Niece - employment lawyer. Without law change nought I can do, or they need to be "frontline" staff.
Virgin Aus have made it compulsory to be Vaxxed. I might need to change a few things....
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
If the government can bend the rules and insist on all border workers being vaccinated, they should make it more widespread such is the threat to the economy and the country
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@snowy I saw something earlier in the week where they were saying employers may start asking candidates for a job for thier vaccination status, but I expect that will get stomped on pretty quick, I mean is an injection classed as a medical procedure, therefore possibly subject to privacy?
If we want our dog to go to Doggy daycare we have to prove he is vaccinated!
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I see Tegel workers playing chicken with Covid-19.
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@billy-tell plenty of these have been part of positive results from last week...plus being food manufacturers/distributers I expect they are wearing, gloves, masks, hair nets etc when working, just more of our sensationalist media.
On Friday, a Tegel spokeswoman confirmed the male worker tested positive but had not been at the Henderson premises since August 19. The man was sent to Jet Park quarantine facility.
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@snowy If you’ve tried worst case on her maybe just go for pragmatic concern. Well if her husband declines she may need some sick or holiday days to look after him. What happens if she gets a dose of Covid and ends up using all her allowance? The vax reduces the likelihood of that happening.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
If the government can bend the rules and insist on all border workers being vaccinated, they should make it more widespread such is the threat to the economy and the country
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
If the government can bend the rules and insist on all border workers being vaccinated, they should make it more widespread such is the threat to the economy and the country
The government didn't bend rules, it passed legislation and then used it. That said, an employer can insist on reasonable PPE and distancing, and it may be that unvaccinated staff end up having to wear masks etc while vaccinated staff don't.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
If the government can bend the rules and insist on all border workers being vaccinated, they should make it more widespread such is the threat to the economy and the country
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
If the government can bend the rules and insist on all border workers being vaccinated, they should make it more widespread such is the threat to the economy and the country
The government didn't bend rules, it passed legislation and then used it. That said, an employer can insist on reasonable PPE and distancing, and it may be that unvaccinated staff end up having to wear masks etc while vaccinated staff don't.
That seems reasonable. I'm sure Snowy must have a mask or two lying around the house that his employee could be made to use
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy I saw something earlier in the week where they were saying employers may start asking candidates for a job for thier vaccination status, but I expect that will get stomped on pretty quick, I mean is an injection classed as a medical procedure, therefore possibly subject to privacy?
If we want our dog to go to Doggy daycare we have to prove he is vaccinated!
An employer can do this as long as there is a good reason to - the right to privacy covers how the data/information is collected, stored, used and shared, not so much what information is collected other than it being reasonable.
The Human Rights Act covers discrimination, and the Employment Relations Act extends that to employment. Because of that, an employer can't require information about things like gender, age, sexual orientation, family status unless they are specifically permitted (gender may be relevant to acting or personal care, for example) because the information usually can't legally be used for employment decisions, so there is no reason to collect it (applying the Privacy Act). An employer can collect it for statistical purposes eg gender pay gap monitoring but should provide the option to refuse to answer without negative consequences.
Medical questions should be limited to relevant health and safety questions, but medical status is not in the Human Rights Act other than disability. That's why landlords can refuse to rent to smokers - it's not actually covered by legislation.