Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@r-l said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@machpants Nice option. Happy to help out with national IQ improvement.
Lockdowns are problem for the cellar. People seem to notice if someone goes missing from there house. They might be happy about it but they do notice.
Anyway, you guys only jabbing with Pfizer?
Yep. One of the reasons we waited was to see how effective different jabs were.
There were initially plans to get a few different ones but we ditched that in favour of securing a supply. The bigger the order the quicker you get it, it seemed. -
We are actually quite lucky with the shape of our country to be able to "easily" lock down Auckland and open up the rest of the country. Also lucky that Auckland has our major Airport too.
I imagine it would be much harder if we had to lock down Waikato or Canterbury for example. Even Wellington is simple enough.
Just a bit lucky
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@crucial they approved AZ last month didnt they, but not started using it?
@Hooroo one stupid thing, is every flight form Whangarei lands in Auckland, which I know has caused issues before, so unsure why they cant alter the schedule and put on flights to Hamilton as an alternative...am sure it isnt that simple though, also I assume purely demand, but is silly there are zero flights from here to any other place direct anyway, used to fly to Wellington.
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We are actually quite lucky with the shape of our country to be able to "easily" lock down Auckland and open up the rest of the country. Also lucky that Auckland has our major Airport too.
I imagine it would be much harder if we had to lock down Waikato or Canterbury for example. Even Wellington is simple enough.
Just a bit lucky
Wellington is super easy. Two roadblocks only if you set up at Pekapeka. Three if set lower down with only a small one needed to cover the goat track over the Akatarawas
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial they approved AZ last month didnt they, but not started using it?
Approved in theory but we aren't set up to distribute and administer AZ which needs a different set up. It's not as easy as just swapping the liquid in the vials. In fact that also adds the complexity of double checking previous shots etc.
It is the same with most things in NZ. We like to think we are a first world country with all the whistles and bells but we are an after thought in distribution chains as well as a small spread out market.
The biggest issue with getting the vaccinations is simply that, getting them. People forget that we weren't able to secure dates of supply arrivals until we committed to one vaccine and made the order big enough for Pfizer to concern themselves about. Even then as a 'customer' we are the guy that comes into the shop occasionally and buys a loaf of cheap bread and some toilet paper.
We hold no sway over the market except maybe some small amount of good marketing press that the 'cautious' country has chosen this product over all others. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial they approved AZ last month didnt they, but not started using it?
Approved in theory but we aren't set up to distribute and administer AZ which needs a different set up. It's not as easy as just swapping the liquid in the vials. In fact that also adds the complexity of double checking previous shots etc.
It is the same with most things in NZ. We like to think we are a first world country with all the whistles and bells but we are an after thought in distribution chains as well as a small spread out market.
The biggest issue with getting the vaccinations is simply that, getting them. People forget that we weren't able to secure dates of supply arrivals until we committed to one vaccine and made the order big enough for Pfizer to concern themselves about. Even then as a 'customer' we are the guy that comes into the shop occasionally and buys a loaf of cheap bread and some toilet paper.
We hold no sway over the market except maybe some small amount of good marketing press that the 'cautious' country has chosen this product over all others.When talking about supply from the global marketplace it sucks to be small
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@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
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@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
It's a spin that insults intelligence really and I'm surprised they think people will buy it.
I get that they don't want a message of 'we are running out' but why not just a truthful one of 'if we continue at this unexpected high rate due to unbooked vaccinations (which is good) we could get gaps in the supply chain. We have more than enough to meet the booked rollout and may have to manage some areas to just bookings until the big supply arrives in a couple of weeks.'
Strange thing is that it is actually going really well considering that there was never a plan to go this big until the big shipment arrived. They aren't getting credit for the quick reaction and boost in Vax percentages because of clumsy answers to 'are you running out?'
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
Yeah, I still don't know where we are headed on this. If you look at the UK numbers they are still getting spread just not as bad an effect. We also haven't seen what happens when they come out of summer which will be the real test. At some point our health system has to be prepared to take this on the chin as a new illness to be dealt with. How we work out that tipping point is anyone's guess.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
Yeah, I still don't know where we are headed on this. If you look at the UK numbers they are still getting spread just not as bad an effect. We also haven't seen what happens when they come out of summer which will be the real test. At some point our health system has to be prepared to take this on the chin as a new illness to be dealt with. How we work out that tipping point is anyone's guess.
The key is low hospitalisation rates. Then covid is just the flu for most. We should all expect to get it before too long. It is inevitable because it isn't leaving anytime soon
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Is there a breakdown of number of tests taken vs number of cases detected? Ideally the number of tests would be consistent, with cases dropping, but if less people are being tested then lower case numbers doesn't tell us much.