Poll: Foster reappointment
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@ploughboy said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
as a player being a all black increases your value hence why most people give this a good crack before heading overseas.
if rennie/ joseph applied for ABs job and missed out what would they had been left with. third pickings japan and aussie would have appointed coaches. would have cost them hugely. some people would have taken that risk but im picking not many. and theirs nothing stopping them applying in future with a better CV.
my biggest gripe was that off the two who applied was that both had a rather weak /unproven assistants with themWell, Dave Rennie can get fucked either way then. To do that and be in line for the job in the future, he would literally have to win the Bledisloe for Australia. I don't see him ever being the AB head coach.
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I just don't think you can deny Robertson's consistency in success. Five consecutive SR titles is unprecedented (and they were also unbeaten in their run for a sixth). That shows a knack for making the right call at the right time, in both selectorial and coaching decisions. It also helps that he appears to genuinely relate to the players better than I think the older generation of coaches do.
And for those that talk about the wealth of talent at Robertson's disposal and the front office etc: Blackadder won 0 titles in 8 years.
Not to hark on about Foster's record but he is obviously (partly) accountable for the 2017 lions series and the 2019 world cup. And a 50/50 record in 2020 is straight up poor. I think the ABs have to go unbeaten to finish the year as the #1 team and I think that would be enough to prove he should keep the reins. If not though I think Robertson/Brown should be appointed from '22 onwards.
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@frye said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I just don't think you can deny Robertson's consistency in success. Five consecutive SR titles is unprecedented (and they were also unbeaten in their run for a sixth). That shows a knack for making the right call at the right time, in both selectorial and coaching decisions. It also helps that he appears to genuinely relate to the players better than I think the older generation of coaches do.
And for those that talk about the wealth of talent at Robertson's disposal and the front office etc: Blackadder won 0 titles in 8 years.
Not to hark on about Foster's record but he is obviously (partly) accountable for the 2017 lions series and the 2019 world cup. And a 50/50 record in 2020 is straight up poor. I think the ABs have to go unbeaten to finish the year as the #1 team and I think that would be enough to prove he should keep the reins. If not though I think Robertson/Brown should be appointed from '22 onwards.
I don't disagree with your main point, but one small point is that during that time Blackadder's ABs almost always showed up to AB games ready to contribute and play really well. In comparison, Robertson works the fuck out of a few key human resources (Whitelock, Taylor especially) during Super to the point where they looked tired by the time AB games roll around.
Edit: BTW, you won't get Robertson and Brown.
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@frye i think there are a lot of factorsstill in the Crusaders favour that slightly skew the number of titles.
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Having talent and depth but getting the best out of it is what being the AB coach is all about.
However, for all the talk of the head coach, at test level i am more convinced than ever that the quality of the assistant coaches has more to do with the overall success of the team than just the HC.
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@mariner4life said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@frye i think there are a lot of factorsstill in the Crusaders favour that slightly skew the number of titles.
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Having talent and depth but getting the best out of it is what being the AB coach is all about.
However, for all the talk of the head coach, at test level i am more convinced than ever that the quality of the assistant coaches has more to do with the overall success of the team than just the HC.
We bang on about him all the time, but you need at least one truly world class great strategy person in it (Smith). On attack, it does make sense for that to be Brown, but who it would be for defense, I'm not sure. I think Ryan showed that he may have the goods with the forwards, given his recent work with Fiji.
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@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@frye said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I just don't think you can deny Robertson's consistency in success. Five consecutive SR titles is unprecedented (and they were also unbeaten in their run for a sixth). That shows a knack for making the right call at the right time, in both selectorial and coaching decisions. It also helps that he appears to genuinely relate to the players better than I think the older generation of coaches do.
And for those that talk about the wealth of talent at Robertson's disposal and the front office etc: Blackadder won 0 titles in 8 years.
Not to hark on about Foster's record but he is obviously (partly) accountable for the 2017 lions series and the 2019 world cup. And a 50/50 record in 2020 is straight up poor. I think the ABs have to go unbeaten to finish the year as the #1 team and I think that would be enough to prove he should keep the reins. If not though I think Robertson/Brown should be appointed from '22 onwards.
I don't disagree with your main point, but one small point is that during that time Blackadder's ABs almost always showed up to AG hames ready to contribute and play really well. In comparison, Robertson works the fuck out of a few key human resources (Whitelock, Taylor especially) during Super to the point where they looked tired by the time AB games roll around.
Edit: BTW, you won't get Robertson and Brown.
Sure, but Robertson is working within the player welfare guidelines as outlined by the NZRU. I don't think has a duty to rest players any more than they need to be.
Why not Robertson with Brown as an assistant? Brown is still contracted to the NZRU in 2022.
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@mariner4life said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@frye i think there are a lot of factorsstill in the Crusaders favour that slightly skew the number of titles.
But
Having talent and depth but getting the best out of it is what being the AB coach is all about.
However, for all the talk of the head coach, at test level i am more convinced than ever that the quality of the assistant coaches has more to do with the overall success of the team than just the HC.
To pick up on this again, I wonder how people would feel right now if we had Foster as Head, with Robertson and Brown on the team? To your point, I’m sure we’d feel much better about the potential for growth.
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@frye said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@frye said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I just don't think you can deny Robertson's consistency in success. Five consecutive SR titles is unprecedented (and they were also unbeaten in their run for a sixth). That shows a knack for making the right call at the right time, in both selectorial and coaching decisions. It also helps that he appears to genuinely relate to the players better than I think the older generation of coaches do.
And for those that talk about the wealth of talent at Robertson's disposal and the front office etc: Blackadder won 0 titles in 8 years.
Not to hark on about Foster's record but he is obviously (partly) accountable for the 2017 lions series and the 2019 world cup. And a 50/50 record in 2020 is straight up poor. I think the ABs have to go unbeaten to finish the year as the #1 team and I think that would be enough to prove he should keep the reins. If not though I think Robertson/Brown should be appointed from '22 onwards.
I don't disagree with your main point, but one small point is that during that time Blackadder's ABs almost always showed up to AG hames ready to contribute and play really well. In comparison, Robertson works the fuck out of a few key human resources (Whitelock, Taylor especially) during Super to the point where they looked tired by the time AB games roll around.
Edit: BTW, you won't get Robertson and Brown.
Sure, but Robertson is working within the player welfare guidelines as outlined by the NZRU. I don't think has a duty to rest players any more than they need to be.
Why not Robertson with Brown as an assistant? Brown is still contracted to the NZRU in 2022.
Because Brown is not contracted by the NZRU: he has a unique status of working for Japan (contracted until 2023, according to ODT), and a highlanders contract.
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
There has been a lot of media about Foster and the desire of Hansen to see him appointed. The process was a shambles, and there is a bit of ret-conning going on in this thread. Rennie wasn't appointed until 20 November 2019, for instance. Joseph on 18 November 2019.
Rennie was already in talks with Castle and RA well before the RWC started. Castle said they started discussions 6 months before he was announced as Wallaby coach.
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@arhs @dan54 I think a lot of it is that the AB job is arguably the apex coaching role in world rugby.
Historically, no one else has the depth of talent to work with, or the interesting schedules. If you're a kiwi, it's like being an All Black - the pinnacle of the sport.
So, given that, the question is why you'd take a role with Japan. It's like Piutau or Hayman going overseas for the coin before they were All Blacks. It's legit - but a bit of a cop out.
There has been a lot of media about Foster and the desire of Hansen to see him appointed. The process was a shambles, and there is a bit of ret-conning going on in this thread. Rennie wasn't appointed until 20 November 2019, for instance. Joseph on 18 November 2019.
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Well Joseph already was coach of Japan, had indicated at WC he was keen on doing it until 2023, and Rennie had been in discussion with RA since Feburary, and he actually said that Raelene Castle and Scott Johnson met with him then. Rennie could not be actually officially appointed until RA met after the WC
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@frye said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I just don't think you can deny Robertson's consistency in success. Five consecutive SR titles is unprecedented (and they were also unbeaten in their run for a sixth). That shows a knack for making the right call at the right time, in both selectorial and coaching decisions. It also helps that he appears to genuinely relate to the players better than I think the older generation of coaches do.
And for those that talk about the wealth of talent at Robertson's disposal and the front office etc: Blackadder won 0 titles in 8 years.
Not to hark on about Foster's record but he is obviously (partly) accountable for the 2017 lions series and the 2019 world cup. And a 50/50 record in 2020 is straight up poor. I think the ABs have to go unbeaten to finish the year as the #1 team and I think that would be enough to prove he should keep the reins. If not though I think Robertson/Brown should be appointed from '22 onwards.
How the hell are you going to appoint Robertson and Brown, Robertson wanted Brown to stand as his assistant last time, and he said no thanks I am keen on sticking with Jamie Joseph at Japan until after the next WC.
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@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
How the hell are you going to appoint Robertson and Brown, Robertson wanted Brown to stand as his assistant last time, and he said no thanks I am keen on sticking with Jamie Joseph at Japan until after the next WC.
As did Foster.
This explains why NZR wants to know (at least privately) who your full coaching team will be. Imagine appointing a coach and then the names they dropped in the interview as suggested assistants aren't interested.
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@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@frye said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I just don't think you can deny Robertson's consistency in success. Five consecutive SR titles is unprecedented (and they were also unbeaten in their run for a sixth). That shows a knack for making the right call at the right time, in both selectorial and coaching decisions. It also helps that he appears to genuinely relate to the players better than I think the older generation of coaches do.
And for those that talk about the wealth of talent at Robertson's disposal and the front office etc: Blackadder won 0 titles in 8 years.
Not to hark on about Foster's record but he is obviously (partly) accountable for the 2017 lions series and the 2019 world cup. And a 50/50 record in 2020 is straight up poor. I think the ABs have to go unbeaten to finish the year as the #1 team and I think that would be enough to prove he should keep the reins. If not though I think Robertson/Brown should be appointed from '22 onwards.
How the hell are you going to appoint Robertson and Brown, Robertson wanted Brown to stand as his assistant last time, and he said no thanks I am keen on sticking with Jamie Joseph at Japan until after the next WC.
Keep him in MIQ permanently until he agrees.
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Like to make it clear, I not arguing that anyone doesn't have the right to an opinion of who should be AB coach, just saying that are we from the outside the ones to say someone should or should not be appointed. As NZZP rightfully pointed out AB coach is probably one of the most coveted jobs around, and so there are probably quite interview process to go through to get job. Those that are saying the jobs was always Foster, I think are being unfair to the people involved in the selection process. Do any of us know what the forward plans that Foster and Razor put to the board? I surely don't, but I bet they were asked to table some kind of plan etc. As I said I not into saying it should be Foster or Razor etc, just that Foster has been appointed, and like when players are selected when I think it should maybe someone else, I am an unashamed AB supporter, so whoever is picked to do any job for them will have my full support and I won't sit on sidelines trying to pick holes or weaken support for them.
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@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Like to make it clear, I not arguing that anyone doesn't have the right to an opinion of who should be AB coach, just saying that are we from the outside the ones to say someone should or should not be appointed. As NZZP rightfully pointed out AB coach is probably one of the most coveted jobs around, and so there are probably quite interview process to go through to get job. Those that are saying the jobs was always Foster, I think are being unfair to the people involved in the selection process. Do any of us know what the forward plans that Foster and Razor put to the board? I surely don't, but I bet they were asked to table some kind of plan etc. As I said I not into saying it should be Foster or Razor etc, just that Foster has been appointed, and like when players are selected when I think it should maybe someone else, I am an unashamed AB supporter, so whoever is picked to do any job for them will have my full support and I won't sit on sidelines trying to pick holes or weaken support for them.
It was a done deal on Foster .Succession plan was always in place it's how NZR works.
I always support the AB's but it will not hold me back from commenting on stupid selections and lack of game plans especially a go to plan B if A is not working.RE.England WC Semi Final. -
@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@frye said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I just don't think you can deny Robertson's consistency in success. Five consecutive SR titles is unprecedented (and they were also unbeaten in their run for a sixth). That shows a knack for making the right call at the right time, in both selectorial and coaching decisions. It also helps that he appears to genuinely relate to the players better than I think the older generation of coaches do.
And for those that talk about the wealth of talent at Robertson's disposal and the front office etc: Blackadder won 0 titles in 8 years.
Not to hark on about Foster's record but he is obviously (partly) accountable for the 2017 lions series and the 2019 world cup. And a 50/50 record in 2020 is straight up poor. I think the ABs have to go unbeaten to finish the year as the #1 team and I think that would be enough to prove he should keep the reins. If not though I think Robertson/Brown should be appointed from '22 onwards.
How the hell are you going to appoint Robertson and Brown, Robertson wanted Brown to stand as his assistant last time, and he said no thanks I am keen on sticking with Jamie Joseph at Japan until after the next WC.
Seems to be more loyalty to Joseph and to Japan?
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@chris said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Like to make it clear, I not arguing that anyone doesn't have the right to an opinion of who should be AB coach, just saying that are we from the outside the ones to say someone should or should not be appointed. As NZZP rightfully pointed out AB coach is probably one of the most coveted jobs around, and so there are probably quite interview process to go through to get job. Those that are saying the jobs was always Foster, I think are being unfair to the people involved in the selection process. Do any of us know what the forward plans that Foster and Razor put to the board? I surely don't, but I bet they were asked to table some kind of plan etc. As I said I not into saying it should be Foster or Razor etc, just that Foster has been appointed, and like when players are selected when I think it should maybe someone else, I am an unashamed AB supporter, so whoever is picked to do any job for them will have my full support and I won't sit on sidelines trying to pick holes or weaken support for them.
It was a done deal on Foster .Succession plan was always in place it's how NZR works.
I always support the AB's but it will not hold me back from commenting on stupid selections and lack of game plans especially a go to plan B if A is not working.RE.England WC Semi Final.And what do you mean that is how NZR works? I take it you have been involved for you to know it's a fact.
Only suggestion I would make if you support ABs or whoever you don't make up things and pretend they are fact, and then post them online as though they are fact. -
@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@chris said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@dan54 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Like to make it clear, I not arguing that anyone doesn't have the right to an opinion of who should be AB coach, just saying that are we from the outside the ones to say someone should or should not be appointed. As NZZP rightfully pointed out AB coach is probably one of the most coveted jobs around, and so there are probably quite interview process to go through to get job. Those that are saying the jobs was always Foster, I think are being unfair to the people involved in the selection process. Do any of us know what the forward plans that Foster and Razor put to the board? I surely don't, but I bet they were asked to table some kind of plan etc. As I said I not into saying it should be Foster or Razor etc, just that Foster has been appointed, and like when players are selected when I think it should maybe someone else, I am an unashamed AB supporter, so whoever is picked to do any job for them will have my full support and I won't sit on sidelines trying to pick holes or weaken support for them.
It was a done deal on Foster .Succession plan was always in place it's how NZR works.
I always support the AB's but it will not hold me back from commenting on stupid selections and lack of game plans especially a go to plan B if A is not working.RE.England WC Semi Final.And what do you mean that is how NZR works? I take it you have been involved for you to know it's a fact.
Only suggestion I would make if you support ABs or whoever you don't make up things and pretend they are fact, and then post them online as though they are fact.Look mate its obvious you don't know what or who I know,So you are making up the BS.
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