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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@kiwipie said in Other Cricket:
@catogrande What happened - 8 down with a lead of only 180, England had that game in their hands. Although take Root out of that batting order and they will lose every game at the moment.
Root is like you’d imagine KW would be in, let’s be honest, most other eras of NZ cricket. Some of his fellow batsmen are extremely ordinary.
The English top order is like pairing Kane Williamson with five of our openers from the mid-late 1990's
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@donsteppa said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@kiwipie said in Other Cricket:
@catogrande What happened - 8 down with a lead of only 180, England had that game in their hands. Although take Root out of that batting order and they will lose every game at the moment.
Root is like you’d imagine KW would be in, let’s be honest, most other eras of NZ cricket. Some of his fellow batsmen are extremely ordinary.
The English top order is like pairing Kane Williamson with five of our openers from the mid-late 1990's
Not far off to be honest. No wonder they rate Stokes so highly when the rest are that dogshit.
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We should have asked for Chris Martin to have a bat in this series to try and get his average up.
Up in the media centre during the fifth-day lunch break, the great and the good (as well as the significantly better than average) were all united in their astonishment at the malfunction they were witnessing. Phil Tufnell, for one, was struggling to recall a more self-destructive passage of play from an England team in his lifetime, and he had lived a fair few of them.
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It's worth at this point to remember exactly who England were dealing with. The older members of the team might have had a dim and distant memory of Shami's vague batting functionality, after he had made his only previous Test half-century at Trent Bridge in 2014 - a deck so dead that the match is now best remembered for Alastair Cook's one and only Test wicket.
But Bumrah… now he was a proper batting bunny. Statistically, if not stylistically, he had long been the closest thing to an heir to the most feckless tailender of them all, New Zealand's Chris Martin, having made a grand total of 18 runs in his first 19 innings, including a highest score of 6, and an average of 1.80. All of a sudden, he's harvested 62 runs in three innings on this England tour - the same, shockingly, as his captain, Kohli, and at a higher average too.
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Throughout it all, there was no sign of Anderson returning to restore order, at least, not until Root, perhaps already sensing that the moment was lost and that England's only hope was for him to switch back into batting mode, vanished into the dressing room, presumably to run a few options through the number-crunchers. "Give it to Jimmy, dammit!" was the computer's unsurprising verdict, but Shami greeted his third ball with a clip through midwicket that Dom Sibley could only dream of playing, before Root himself dropped Bumrah at slip off Moeen Ali, a clanger by any standards, but a head-in-hands moment that gave every snapper in the ground their 1000-word picture.
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@donsteppa said in Other Cricket:
We should have asked for Chris Martin to have a bat in this series to try and get his average up.
Up in the media centre during the fifth-day lunch break, the great and the good (as well as the significantly better than average) were all united in their astonishment at the malfunction they were witnessing. Phil Tufnell, for one, was struggling to recall a more self-destructive passage of play from an England team in his lifetime, and he had lived a fair few of them.
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It's worth at this point to remember exactly who England were dealing with. The older members of the team might have had a dim and distant memory of Shami's vague batting functionality, after he had made his only previous Test half-century at Trent Bridge in 2014 - a deck so dead that the match is now best remembered for Alastair Cook's one and only Test wicket.
But Bumrah… now he was a proper batting bunny. Statistically, if not stylistically, he had long been the closest thing to an heir to the most feckless tailender of them all, New Zealand's Chris Martin, having made a grand total of 18 runs in his first 19 innings, including a highest score of 6, and an average of 1.80. All of a sudden, he's harvested 62 runs in three innings on this England tour - the same, shockingly, as his captain, Kohli, and at a higher average too.
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Throughout it all, there was no sign of Anderson returning to restore order, at least, not until Root, perhaps already sensing that the moment was lost and that England's only hope was for him to switch back into batting mode, vanished into the dressing room, presumably to run a few options through the number-crunchers. "Give it to Jimmy, dammit!" was the computer's unsurprising verdict, but Shami greeted his third ball with a clip through midwicket that Dom Sibley could only dream of playing, before Root himself dropped Bumrah at slip off Moeen Ali, a clanger by any standards, but a head-in-hands moment that gave every snapper in the ground their 1000-word picture.
Ha ! I just got an email from my sons cricket club. Chris Martin is running some coaching clinics next month which he will be attending ( he has no idea who he is but that’s ok ).
I wonder if he’ll focus on batting ?
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@snowy said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
I wonder if he’ll focus on batting ?
Maybe music?
Something just like that
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@hooroo said in Other Cricket:
@cyclops said in Other Cricket:
Wow that was pretty gutless by England. Not even two sessions. Even the 90s black caps would have been ashamed of that.
Would they though? We were rough as guts
on a day 5 pitch, with quality fast bowling operating.... don't be too sure we'd do better.
I'll just leave this here
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-1992-93-61505/new-zealand-vs-pakistan-only-test-63597/full-scorecard -
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@nzzp said in Other Cricket:
@hooroo said in Other Cricket:
@cyclops said in Other Cricket:
Wow that was pretty gutless by England. Not even two sessions. Even the 90s black caps would have been ashamed of that.
Would they though? We were rough as guts
on a day 5 pitch, with quality fast bowling operating.... don't be too sure we'd do better.
I'll just leave this here
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-1992-93-61505/new-zealand-vs-pakistan-only-test-63597/full-scorecardAndrew Jones was the only guy in that bunch with a very good test batting record, better than any Englishman bar Root who stands out in that lineup likes dogs balls, but both supported by five pretty ordinary players……and Wasim and Waqar were one of the all time great duos ( in fact possibly THE very best ? )
So yeah, overall England should be absolutely ashamed of their efforts. More so than the BCs of that era.
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@Cyclops
Remember when McGrath and Gillespie sort of did to us with the bat what Bumrah and Sami just did to England with the bat?Well, we also didn't last 2 sessions or in fact even make a hundred. 71 all out.
But, I guess your point stands, They would have been ashamed of that.
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@kiwipie said in Other Cricket:
@catogrande What happened - 8 down with a lead of only 180, England had that game in their hands. Although take Root out of that batting order and they will lose every game at the moment.
Newish ball, England on a roll, fast bowlers on v tail enders. So what’s the plan?
No slips, bowl short, few fielders in wicket taking positions, so the plan must have been to leak a few runs, release the pressure and give them some confidence. If those tactics had been employed by Pakistan in those circumstances we’d be thinking match fixing.
Appalling captaincy.
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@rapido said in Other Cricket:
@Cyclops
Remember when McGrath and Gillespie sort of did to us with the bat what Bumrah and Sami just did to England with the bat?Well, we also didn't last 2 sessions or in fact even make a hundred. 71 all out.
But, I guess your point stands, They would have been ashamed of that.
Yeah there are a couple of moments of utter ignominy but that's kind of the point. This is about low as a test team can go without getting bowled out for 26.
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That day goes to show how bloody impressive that sixth day in the WTC from the Black Caps was. Similarly poised in similar conditions and they bottled it.
Yes England's batting is a bit of a rabble but it was their bowling that blew it in one mad session.
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it's getting very very messy in Australian cricket
They aren't doing to well, and so the coach is in the gun, most especially because it appears the modern player cannot relate to being given a few home truths about their performance.
There is a definite split appearing in the Aus cricket family, with the new guys on one side, and pretty much everyone else on the other.
Cricket Australia have given Langer their dreaded full confidence.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
it's getting very very messy in Australian cricket
They aren't doing to well, and so the coach is in the gun, most especially because it appears the modern player cannot relate to being given a few home truths about their performance.
There is a definite split appearing in the Aus cricket family, with the new guys on one side, and pretty much everyone else on the other.
Cricket Australia have given Langer their dreaded full confidence.
I’m sure they’ll redeem themselves ( assuming it goes ahead ) by putting a fucken awful English side to the sword later this year.
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@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
it's getting very very messy in Australian cricket
They aren't doing to well, and so the coach is in the gun, most especially because it appears the modern player cannot relate to being given a few home truths about their performance.
There is a definite split appearing in the Aus cricket family, with the new guys on one side, and pretty much everyone else on the other.
Cricket Australia have given Langer their dreaded full confidence.
I’m sure they’ll redeem themselves ( assuming it goes ahead ) by putting a fucken awful English side to the sword later this year.
like clockwork, things go wrong over winter when they head overseas, but magically heal themselves when they get back on the flat flat tracks of home
their major problem is their last home series they lost quite badly.
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@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
@mn5 said in Other Cricket:
@mariner4life said in Other Cricket:
it's getting very very messy in Australian cricket
They aren't doing to well, and so the coach is in the gun, most especially because it appears the modern player cannot relate to being given a few home truths about their performance.
There is a definite split appearing in the Aus cricket family, with the new guys on one side, and pretty much everyone else on the other.
Cricket Australia have given Langer their dreaded full confidence.
I’m sure they’ll redeem themselves ( assuming it goes ahead ) by putting a fucken awful English side to the sword later this year.
like clockwork, things go wrong over winter when they head overseas, but magically heal themselves when they get back on the flat flat tracks of home
their major problem is their last home series they lost quite badly.
I think they’d beat that Pom team anywhere to be fair. That batting line up in particularly screams ordinary despite one obvious exception ( who isn’t even quite as good as our Kane )
