Poll: Foster reappointment
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@ploughboy yeah that's what I meant....
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Thought about this some more - and wanted to be really clear that this isn't just a 'sack the coach' response. He had a two year term. The question is really whether he has done enough to suggest he's the man to take us through to the RWC. For me, I don't think so; I haven't seen the improvements in the game I'd expect. Weaknesses are still there.
@taniwharugby said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I dont think he has done anythign to deserve the old heave ho and dont let the door hit you on the way out, it isnt his fault the limited opposition we have had, but he needs to take the heat and show a plan because right now it appears we are stale and running in 3rd gear most of the time
it's not a sacking, it's a question of reappointing (extending the contract).
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@rotated said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
I'm not sure the one eyes would be willing to accept sacking Robertson after only 10 tests during with a similar record if he were the one appointed.
At this point Foster should be extended until the end of the TRC next year, with the assistants to be reviewed after both this year's TRC (if it goes poorly) and EOYT.
While I wasn't convinced Robertson was the right man for a probable four year appointment as head coach, I do think he, Gats or a combo of both are our best chance of shaking things up and catching lightning in a bottle for 2023 like Erasmus or Cheika and midway through next year would be the latest that change could be made IMO.
Agree with this - given where we are at in the cycle and the relatively short time we have to address the multitude of issues, what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up and build a simple and pragmatic game plan that can win a World Cup. That to me is either Razor or Gats but even if they did win the RWC - which is unlikely - they don’t necessarily get re appointed after 2023 given what we need is really a rescue mission and not a re-build. That’s why I think Gats is the better man for the rescue job, as I’m not sure if I want Razor to take on that potentially poisoned chalice.
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@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Agree with this - given where we are at in the cycle and the relatively short time we have to address the multitude of issues, what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up and build a simple and pragmatic game plan that can win a World Cup.
God?
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@victor-meldrew said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Agree with this - given where we are at in the cycle and the relatively short time we have to address the multitude of issues, what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up and build a simple and pragmatic game plan that can win a World Cup.
God?
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
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@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up
The longer they wait the easier it will be to make calls on the class of 2013 and Whitelock too. That would have leadership implications. Hansen was not capable of making the calls on Read and SBW that needed to be made, I doubt Foster is either.
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Alright folks, time to put your money where your mouth is.
I'm still firmly of the opinion I've seen enough that I'd be looking to move on from Foster. I don't think he has developed much of our game, and selections have been consistently haphazard. To me, on his body of work, he should be gooooooorne
How many tests has he been in charge of? Is it 11? And 6 of those have been against the Aussies.
Hasn’t had the opportunity to play a NH opponent or the Boks yet.
I think things have developed in our game plan, but I don’t underestimate the fact that you do need different opponents to challenge and expand you.
Also I don’t think selections have been any different in terms of changes, experiments and new players, as previous coaches starting out. Some have worked out better than others but in my view that’s all part of it.
I’m also doubtful at this point there is someone that will ‘shake things up’ as has been mentioned.
I’m with the Aussie bloke, Fozzie all the way 😃
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I cant see the poll anymore but i think I voted direct replacement and rejig assistants.
Every other decent coach (other than Razor) has a significant contract they wont break to take this, as that impacts their own brand.
I cant see any of this happening mind you..
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If that game ends up being Foster's version of the 2004 France fixture, I will conduct a volte face and sing his praises from the nearest hill.
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@nzzp if Foster says Bridge is part of the AB family then yes (the family seems to include Frizzel, Bower, Ta'avao, DMac as starting fullback and Jordie as a premiere starting wing).
Interesting so many re happy to keep Foster but replace his assistants.
I'm happy with that if we can also replace the person who chose the wrong assistants, time for some "responsibility."
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@rotated said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@junior said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
what we’ll probably need to win the RWC is someone who can come in and quickly shake things up
The longer they wait the easier it will be to make calls on the class of 2013 and Whitelock too. That would have leadership implications. Hansen was not capable of making the calls on Read and SBW that needed to be made, I doubt Foster is either.
I would actually think that, in the circumstances of a "rescue mission", a guy like Whitelock would be absolutely invaluable. Even if he's well past it by that time, I would still think he'd be capable of one last go under a new coaching regime and game plan - even if it was just to sit on the bench and come on late in a knockout match to provide a claim head (see, for example, England's heroes of 2003 and what they then did in 2007).
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
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@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@voodoo said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
Other than Robertson, who else would put their hands up?
Gatland
MacdonaldThe best coaches didn't even bother applying last time (which tells you something abuot the process): Joseph, Rennie, Brown
Rennie certainly had an impressive record with Glasgow and now the wallabies. Overrated much?
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@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
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@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
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@gt12 said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@act-crusader said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@bovidae said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
@nzzp said in Poll: Foster reappointment:
depends - does he think Bridge is one of our premier wingers or not?
If Robertson was the AB coach do you seriously think he wouldn't have selected Bridge in his squad? And he would have picked Bridge ahead of Clarke last year too.
The problem with having a coach going straight from a Super/provincial team to coach the ABs is that they tend to revert to selecting the players they know and are most familiar with. We saw that with Mains and Thorburn in the early 1990s and Mitchell and Deans with the Cantablacks.
Robertson is pretty consultative (still reading my emails Razor…) and I reckon he would’ve been on the phone quick smart with Rangi about the Blues players that he would’ve been eyeing out.
And let’s get the facts right about Mitchell and Deans, they did select Maling, Willis, Douggie and Tana 😎
Plus the Myth, correct? And Mealamu? And McCaw of course. And Carter. You can say a lot about those crazy bastards but they got the process started for what happened in 2011.
Indeed. But many get stuck on their first full year of 2002.
