All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug
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@arhs said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
All these posts wanting Foster to be dumped for not keeping players in their preferred jersey number at all times would seem to based on nasty agendas and not on reason....
Rugby has something to do with combinations.
Secondly I don't think anybody said "at all times"---sounds like a straw man to me.The AB's will likely have a pecking order of 4 players minimum for any jersey number, and will do their best to build experience of each of those candidates in that jersey
Thirdly, it is debatable that they have done "their best to build experience"-playing Jordie on the wing has probably only damaged his confidence and it is a bit of an insult to others if he is in the top 4 wingers in the country (no offense to him). And I'd be interested to know which AB has clearly improved under Foster et al's coaching (outside of their super/provincial coaches).
Fourth, they didn't build key experience earlier on in pivotal positions people would be likely to play in by the RWC (well, maybe Jacobson, not Jordie, arguably at least one prop won't be there for the RWC and will be overtaken).
Further, by your logic they shouldn't be playing players who could be too old by the RWC. -
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@darren They kept BB in the starting line-up last year, despite knowing he'd go to Japan instead of playing SR. I don't think Dmac not playing SR in 2022 will influence their selections.
He hasn't signed with NZR at all, so maybe like TJ
Yep, correct. Also didn't stop the coaches from selecting TJP in his usual jersey number.
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They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
TB audiences can watch when ever they bloody want. Recorded, streaming, whatever. The rugby is better in the afternoon, conditions are better, it's better for families. Night rugby is shit for me. I'll lie on the sofa and watch it but I generally record and watch when it suits me anyway. They shouldn't be catering to a TB audience, but a real one. Everybody has the capability to watch when they want now.
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
On DMac-maybe with an outside back it is different but if I'd gone to the less physical Japanese competition a year before the RWC I wouldn't fancy my chances breaking back into the side.
Yes, the timing seems off. There's less to no competition at 10, but in the outside backs there are enough options.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
ah it seems to be at 10
that makes a little more sense
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Would be interesting to compare the tv ratings for last year's Bleds 1 and 2 played in the afternoon vs this year's Bleds 1 and 2 played at night.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
On DMac-maybe with an outside back it is different but if I'd gone to the less physical Japanese competition a year before the RWC I wouldn't fancy my chances breaking back into the side.
Every player is different, but I remember when Rangi went to Japan after the 03 RWC and missed the whole 2004 AB season. Came back for 05 and many thought he wouldn’t make it back into the ABs, but in my opinion that stint away was great for him and he came back a better player. Made it into the ABs for the big Lions series and played very well.
Other players who have had stints overseas have had mixed returns.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Or not in this case re a stage audience.
It is a TV product, sure, but I wonder how many of us watch it completely "live"?
I'm usually delayed by a few hours at least. Out for dinner, cooking dinner, or whatever. 1900 to 1930 is a fucked time to have it on for me. I often watch the next morning. I think that, like most of you, I would be the stereotype (age, gender, etc) for a rugby watcher in NZ and should be the target demographic but we get ignored as fans.
If they want to get new young fans (and players) then they need to address the balance between who watches, when and how they are dictated to by broadcasters.
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@act-crusader yes I was thinking of Rangi as the exception (and BBBR as the worry) but if at 10, he could get more experience than in NZ at least in the ABs.. and maybe that is his best position longterm.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
they don't get me at 5pm either, tough time to drop everything and sit on the couch.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Both of the Aussie viewers will be able to record or stream surely?
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
be honest, so is 1230
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
They are allowed into pubs at the moment?
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
TB audiences can watch when ever they bloody want. Recorded, streaming, whatever. The rugby is better in the afternoon, conditions are better, it's better for families. Night rugby is shit for me. I'll lie on the sofa and watch it but I generally record and watch when it suits me anyway. They shouldn't be catering to a TB audience, but a real one. Everybody has the capability to watch when they want now.
The upcoming Wallabies v Boks in Brisbane is a 3pm Saturday kick off which is great, assuming it goes ahead.
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A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
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@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
nailed it. Are you going?
surprised there aren't some 'family' specials later on - $200+ is a lot for a casual fan to go. Also, adults start at 14 now for the ABs... which gets even pricier.
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