Canes vs Chiefs
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="575390" data-time="1461817104">
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<p>Well the Chiefs have used that get out of jail card relatively early in the season. Still have Moody, Franks and the lads to face. Don't think you could do Golden Oldies twice in 1 season without raising eyebrows.</p>
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<p>I don't care if he was injured or not, but it does raise a problem for the rest of the comp.</p>
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<p>As a supporter of the team with the best scrum in the comp, I don't want this to happen to us every time we get a significant advantage at scrum time.</p>
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<p>Okay, yes, I misunderstood your comment. It's quite possible that it happened that way. That's why I said it looked dodgy in a previous post, but that I would prefer to see footage of earlier in the game.</p>
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<p>By the way (and this is not a response to you taniwharugby), calling something dodgy doesn't mean an accusation; just that it does look suspicious and that there is a need to find out whether there is a reason for accusations.</p>
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<p>I reckon calling something dodgy is very much an accusation.</p>
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<p>Are you on purpose misinterpreting my posts?</p>
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<p>No. I think we were talking at cross purposes</p> -
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<p>I don't care if he was injured or not, but it does raise a problem for the rest of the comp.</p>
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<p>As a supporter of the team with the best scrum in the comp, I don't want this to happen to us every time we get a significant advantage at scrum time.</p>
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<p>I currently have sciatica and it sucks.</p>
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<p>I would love it if the Chiefs got to play against 14 men because they had a dominant scrum</p> -
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<p>I would love it if the Chiefs got to play against 14 men because they had a dominant scrum</p>
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<p>In our case I'd rather have the penalties and great attacking ball we get from our scrum platform.</p> -
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<p>Well the Chiefs have used that get out of jail card relatively early in the season. Still have Moody, Franks and the lads to face. Don't think you could do Golden Oldies twice in 1 season without raising eyebrows.</p>
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<p>Been there, done that, Chiefs won.</p> -
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<p>Well the Chiefs have used that get out of jail card relatively early in the season. Still have Moody, Franks and the lads to face. Don't think you could do Golden Oldies twice in 1 season without raising eyebrows.</p>
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<p>Nah, they just set up the fact that due to a horrendous run of injuries their propping stocks are quite low and the guys they have aren't equipped to play both sides. I think that next time the ref will let them play with 15 out of pity. Crafty.</p> -
<p>This interview with Rennie confirms what I said before; the footage starts too late and it's necessary to look at what happened before that line-out.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.radiosport.co.nz/sport-news/rugby/dave-rennie-furious-over-chiefs-cheating-accusations/'>http://www.radiosport.co.nz/sport-news/rugby/dave-rennie-furious-over-chiefs-cheating-accusations/</a></p> -
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<p>It is just an accusation with incredibly shaky evidence at this stage. What part of what I said do you think is untrue? or irrelevant?</p>
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<p>I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but it seemed to me you were dismissing the accusations point blank. There is enough evidence to warrant a further investigation if the relevant authorities can be bothered. To categorically dismiss the possibility the Chiefs tried to manipulate the rules to their advantage is as foolhardy as convicting the chiefs on that evidence.</p>
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<p>I suspect it is stone they will leave unturned. For one, it will be incredibly hard to prove without admissions, and two, I am sure every team has done something similar. Do they really want to open that can of worms? </p> -
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<p>This interview with Rennie confirms what I said before; the footage starts too late and it's necessary to look at what happened before that line-out.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.radiosport.co.nz/sport-news/rugby/dave-rennie-furious-over-chiefs-cheating-accusations/'>http://www.radiosport.co.nz/sport-news/rugby/dave-rennie-furious-over-chiefs-cheating-accusations/</a></p>
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<p>Fair enough Dave, that was a very good response - can I suggest the team doctor checks for sciatica, might save some diagnosis time later on? ;)</p> -
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">The Chiefs, as is their right under scrum safety rules, declared that Siegfried Fisiihoi - who came on to the field apparently ready to play - was not proficient enough as a tighthead prop to play at Super Rugby level. That meant he had to leave the field, reducing the Chiefs to 14 men but negating the Hurricanes' clear advantage at scrum time.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">The Chiefs starting tighthead prop Atunaisa Moli had left the field late in the first half with an injury and was replaced by Tokolahi.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">The new footage will fuel critics' claims that the Chiefs manipulated the rules to their advantage. Fisiihoi, a converted No. 8, has played as a tighthead for Bay of Plenty in NPC rugby.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">But Rennie suggested to Radio Sport earlier this week that Fisiihoi was not up to the jump in standard, saying he had been "hammered" when trying out as a tighthead scrummager at Chiefs trainings.</p>
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<p>Christ - it's the "Cropper Incident" all over again. Where's Keith Quinn when you need him? "We know he can play tighthead prop - we've seen him".</p>
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<p>Poor old Cropper was just a flanker being asked to play hooker. :)</p> -
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<p>Christ - it's the "Cropper Incident" all over again. Where's Keith Quinn when you need him? "We know he can play tighthead prop - we've seen him".</p>
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<p>Poor old Cropper was just a flanker being asked to play hooker. :)</p>
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<p>I was thinking that and kept getting mentally blocked with "Coffey" instead of poor old Phil - couldn't reconcile why a 1st 5 had to go into the front row :)</p> -
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<p>I was thinking that and kept getting mentally blocked with "Coffey" instead of poor old Phil - couldn't reconcile why a 1st 5 had to go into the front row :)</p>
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<p>Greg Coffey - played lower grade cricket against him. He played for Marist, so probably would have pulled this sort of trick if he could have.</p>
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<p>I guess the key question is how many points the Chiefs should be docked for this?</p>
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<p>I'm thinking definitely the four for the match and then applying the same logic as was applied to Nadolo, double it to provide a deterrent to other teams - so that's eight and then maybe another couple just in case they win in Fiji?</p>
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<p>So that's ten - a nice round number and very fair.</p> -
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<p>I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong, but it seemed to me you were dismissing the accusations point blank. There is enough evidence to warrant a further investigation if the relevant authorities can be bothered. To categorically dismiss the possibility the Chiefs tried to manipulate the rules to their advantage is as foolhardy as convicting the chiefs on that evidence.</p>
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<p>I suspect it is stone they will leave unturned. For one, it will be incredibly hard to prove without admissions, and two, I am sure every team has done something similar. Do they really want to open that can of worms? </p>
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<p>I am dismissing that video and the commentary... yes. The commentary is laughable.</p> -
Ah. The days when you could take drop goals from free kicks...
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<p>I liked the 'half-story Herald' comment.</p>
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<p>So to summarise Rennie's defence:</p>
<ul><li>I think he's pissed off, but I'm not sure because he only mentions it about 7,000 times</li>
<li>The video evidence isn't complete because we had rubbed some deep heat on his back previously</li>
<li>Tokolahi didn't want to go off but we knew he had to. How did we know? He was monstered in the previous 2 scrums</li>
<li>Its ridiculous to think the fact that we pulled him off had anything to do with our scrum being under pressure.</li>
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<p>So the scrum had nothing to do with the substitution but the fact that he was going backwards proved he was injured, therefore proving he should go off... oh and apparently he's pissed off.</p> -
<p>So in summary, you think Rennie is a liar</p>
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<p>So to summarise Rennie's defence:</p>
<ul><li>I think he's pissed off, but I'm not sure because he only mentions it about 7,000 times</li>
<li>The video evidence isn't complete because we had rubbed some deep heat on his back previously</li>
<li>Tokolahi didn't want to go off but we knew he had to. How did we know? He was monstered in the previous 2 scrums</li>
<li>Its ridiculous to think the fact that we pulled him off had anything to do with our scrum being under pressure.</li>
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<p>So the scrum had nothing to do with the substitution but the fact that he was going backwards proved he was injured, therefore proving he should go off... oh and apparently he's pissed off.</p>
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<p>He'll be even more pissed off when he's docked ten points. :)</p> -
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*]Tokolahi didn't want to go off but we knew he had to. How did we know? He was monstered in the previous 2 scrums<br><br></p></blockquote>
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That Japanese prop has obviously been injured all season then!
