Super Rugby Team Of The Week - Round 9
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="575016" data-time="1461656951"><p>
Hey now, no one calls MN5 a pussy on the fern and gets away with it.<br><br>
Given I didn't watch a single game it might not be terribly accurate but how about I go for your exact 15 apart from Ellis and Cruden in for Perenara and Barrett ? is that ok ?</p></blockquote>
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Why should I bother debating when guys I'm debating with dont even watch the games. <br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="575019" data-time="1461657037">
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<p>Mn5 you forgot fern favourite Mounga (SP?)</p>
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<p>Sorry Bones, I was busy trying to find an amusing meme to correct Canes4life's confusion over your/you're he must have slipped my mind.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="575020" data-time="1461657191"><p>
Nope, that's you saying that. Why put kicking aside? It's pretty fucking important eh. Ellis played better than Perenara.</p></blockquote>
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You said it before. OMG.<br>
Yeah but Cruden didn't kick so your argument is invalid. <br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Canes4life" data-cid="575023" data-time="1461657348">
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<p>You said it before. OMG.<br>
Yeah but Cruden didn't kick so your argument is invalid.<br><br>
If you think Ellis was better that's cool. I thought Perenara was more dangerous this week. Kapeeessh</p>
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<p>You posted the team of the week and are vigorously defending the 9/10 axis. The same axis that lost to a team with halfbacks and a first five that weren't as good happarently.</p>
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<p>Dangerous is good if it's only to the opposition and doesn't include your own team. Making glaring mistakes at crucial times is pretty dangerous, I agree.</p>
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<p>I'm willing to bet Cruden kicked.</p> -
Like the number ten that set up a beaut try to Jane and a near try to old butter fingers to win the match, while also dottting down himself and breaking the line with ease at times.<br><br>
Oh blimey my judgement must be shot. <br><br>
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I cant even remember what Cruden contributed to the game apart from running into Barretts elbow.</p>
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<p>Considering he was the pivot for the winning team I'd say he must have contributed something. At least his goal kicking was at 100% unlike Barrett's</p> -
Fair call. <br><br>
Going off topic a bit wouldnt you think it would be smart of Barrett to take a non kicking approach to games like Cruden so that Hansen and co have nothing to judge. Obviously Barrett wanted to persist with his goal kicking in the first place to get a notch up on Cruden but that game on Saturday didnt do him any favours. The question now is does he back himself to turn it around against the Lions or does he pass the duties to Woodward... -
Fair call. <br><br>
Going off topic a bit wouldnt you think it would be smart of Barrett to take a non kicking approach to games like Cruden so that Hansen and co have nothing to judge. Obviously Barrett wanted to persist with his goal kicking in the first place to get a notch up on Cruden but that game on Saturday didnt do him any favours. The question now is does he back himself to turn it around against the Lions or does he pass the duties to Woodward... -
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<p>Fair call.<br><br>
Going off topic a bit wouldnt you think it would be smart of Barrett to take a non kicking approach to games like Cruden so that Hansen and co have nothing to judge. Obviously Barrett wanted to persist with his goal kicking in the first place to get a notch up on Cruden but that game on Saturday didnt do him any favours. The question now is does he back himself to turn it around against the Lions <strong>or does he pass the duties to Woodward...</strong></p>
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<p>.....I think it's probably best that he doesn't pass anything to Woodward judging by what happened over the weekend......</p> -
hahahah i actually had a laugh to myself when Woodward dropped that ball. Has the other N.Z teams paid him off to fuck shit up for the Canes. First he kicks the ball away in the 79th minute against the Highlanders and then he decides to bomb it against the Chiefs. Maybe the Canes should sub him when the score is close near the end from now on. Crickey.
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<p>Rennie says Cruden has been practising his kicking and likely to take over in the next week or so from D-Mac, based on some of BB's kicks, you would wonder if he has been</p>
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<p>Yeah I read somewhere Cruden may take over the duties in the next week or two just to prove that. Beaudy looks far too casual. Maybe he should pull out the McKenzie smile, that might do the trick.</p>
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<p>You obviously haven't met enough. If a Crusaders fan started this thread all 15 players would be from Crusaderville.<br><br>
OMG five Canes this week. Ring the bias police.</p>
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<p>Nah, Cantabs used to be a shitload worse than they are now, you tend to mellow out when you spend the last eight years with nothing to show for it. You, on the other hand, support the only NZ franchise to never win a thing but still can't help talking your team up as if they're the best and jizzing over Canes players. It's pretty weird, honestly.</p>
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<p>Anyway, weird XV. TJP and Barrett had their moments of brilliance but you can't just ignore their flaws. TJP's dumb as shit, his pass is still a mess and his kicking is just as bad. Meanwhile it's not just Barrett's goal kicking that is embarrassingly bad, it's his kicking from hand too. And if he doesn't spark one of those moments of brilliance when he has the ball in hand, his backline just has next to nothing to offer. I'd take Cruden's subdued but controlling performance over Barrett's because that's what wins you close games like that and titles.</p>
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<p>My form backline from the weekend would be Aaron Smith, Mo'unga, McNicol, Havili, Tamanivalu, Pulu, McKenzie</p>
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<p>McNicol and Pulu are basically the best wingers by default, cause Nadolo's ineligible and the other NZ wingers did nothing. And how you could leave out McKenzie, I have no bloody clue. That "clearing kick" alone is enough to disqualify Ben Smith.</p> -
<p>Okay, my first XV of the week:</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">1. Reggie Goodes (Hurricanes)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2. Codie Taylor (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">3. Owen Franks (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">4. Luke Romano (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">5. Brodie Rettalick (Chiefs)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;"><span>6. Elliot Dixon (Highlanders)</span></p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">7. Matt Todd (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">8. Kieran Read (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">9. Andy Ellis (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">10. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">11. Nemani Nadalo (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">12. David Havili (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">13. <span>Seta Tamanivalu (Chiefs)</span></p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">14. Jone Macilai (Crusaders)</p>
<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">15. Damian McKenzie (Chiefs)</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Sometimes I picked a player not because he was particularly great but because he was better than the rest in that position (for example, Luke Romano, Elliott Dixon, Andy Ellis). This resulted in a relatively large number of Crusaders in this XV. Oh, and I didn't move players to another position.</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Obviously, if I had been one-eyed in picking my team, I'd put A Dixon at 2, Allardice at 4, Weber at 9, McNicoll at 11, Horrell at 12 and Dagg at 15, but that would be stretching it a bit.</p> -
I'm a fan of TJP's and have been for a few years, but he was poor on the weekend. He was given opportunities (by good go forward) to stamp his authority on that game but made poor decisions. I can live with the odd handling error from the 9 and 10 given their level of involvement with ball in hand, but it was his option taking that sucked. <br><br>
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<p>Well I pretty keen on Barrett, but after watching a replay to really just watch the 10s, I buggered if I know if Beauden outplayed Cruden, AC made a bloody lot of good tackles, and generally just got backline operating quite well. Other thing you have to remember that Chiefs use 2 playmakers with DMac coming into 10 a fair bit, so Cruden not always first receiver whan Chiefs on attack!</p>
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<p>Nah, Cantabs used to be a shitload worse than they are now, you tend to mellow out when you spend the last eight years with nothing to show for it. You, on the other hand, support the only NZ franchise to never win a thing but still can't help talking your team up as if they're the best and jizzing over Canes players. It's pretty weird, honestly.</p>
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<p>Anyway, weird XV. TJP and Barrett had their moments of brilliance but you can't just ignore their flaws. TJP's dumb as shit, his pass is still a mess and his kicking is just as bad. Meanwhile it's not just Barrett's goal kicking that is embarrassingly bad, it's his kicking from hand too. And if he doesn't spark one of those moments of brilliance when he has the ball in hand, his backline just has next to nothing to offer. I'd take Cruden's subdued but controlling performance over Barrett's because that's what wins you close games like that and titles.</p>
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<p>Ok his decision making at times is not the best, he knocks on at the worse of times but his passing has improved and he does impact the game positively by creating and scoring tries. The tired response of his pass is shit is old. Open your mind and watch. I know repeating yourself over and over again reinforces your neural pathways and anti Perenara bias. As for Barrett from an offensive perspective he outshone Cruden. His kicking is shite but had Woodward caught that ball his kicking would have been an after thought. He does run up to the ball too directly though when kicking which I don't understand. </p> -
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<p>Ok his decision making at times is not the best, he knocks on at the worse of times but his passing has improved and he does impact the game positively by creating and scoring tries. The tired response of his pass is shit is old. Open your mind and watch. I know repeating yourself over and over again reinforces your neural pathways and anti Perenara bias. As for Barrett from an offensive perspective he outshone Cruden. His kicking is shite but had Woodward caught that ball his kicking would have been an after thought. He does run up to the ball too directly though when kicking which I don't understand. </p>
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<p>Finally someone talks some sense. Maybe you and I were the only ones watching on Saturday.</p>
