Too many events at the Olympics?
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@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
At the end of the day, I totally get the annoyance at the number of swimming events. The mixed thing today was a pisstake. What annoys me though is ignorant and stupid comments about the different disciplines. You also can’t compare swimming to running.
Probably opening up yesterday's arguments but what is the point of Butterfly? Nobody is going to choose to swim butterfly in any situation other than a swimming carnival.
At least breaststroke and backstroke have a purpose, even though it's not to go fast.
A race in the slowest way to get from one end of the pool to the other isn't logical, especially when you have to apply strict requirements on technique.
WRT athletics, I'd apply the same logic to "walking", but not to hurdles or steeplechase.
I love butterfly but I totally agree. Butterfly is beautiful to watch and insanely difficult but it’s absolutely ridiculous. I say this all the time to my swimming coach. If a boat sinks, survivors (depending on their swimming ability and level of fitness) will use one of freestyle, backstroke or breaststroke to get away. No way is anyone swimming away from a sinking ship doing bloody butterfly.
Just as if you were jumping across a ditch to escape an enemy/wild animal, you wouldn't probably use a triple jump
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@canefan said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
You didn't lose your lollies as much as I expected to that bait. Which surprised me. Butterfly is slower than freestyle over the same distance. So is jogging, Any other analogies I can assist you with?
This has to be a windup. You cant be that stupid.
Great rebuttal.
We're done here.Ok I’ll bite. Bear crawls, hopping on one leg and skipping are slower than running. Ergo they must be jogging right? What awesome logic.
You should probably stop posting if that's your grasp of the topic.
To make this easier for you: Jogging is slower than sprinting. So too is walking. That doesn't mean walking and jogging are the same thing.
At the end of the day, I totally get the annoyance at the number of swimming events. The mixed thing today was a pisstake. What annoys me though is ignorant and stupid comments about the different disciplines. You also can’t compare swimming to running.
Probably opening up yesterday's arguments but what is the point of Butterfly? Nobody is going to choose to swim butterfly in any situation other than a swimming carnival.
At least breaststroke and backstroke have a purpose, even though it's not to go fast.
A race in the slowest way to get from one end of the pool to the other isn't logical, especially when you have to apply strict requirements on technique.
WRT athletics, I'd apply the same logic to "walking", but not to hurdles or steeplechase.
I love butterfly but I totally agree. Butterfly is beautiful to watch and insanely difficult but it’s absolutely ridiculous. I say this all the time to my swimming coach. If a boat sinks, survivors (depending on their swimming ability and level of fitness) will use one of freestyle, backstroke or breaststroke to get away. No way is anyone swimming away from a sinking ship doing bloody butterfly.
Just as if you were jumping across a ditch to escape an enemy/wild animal, you wouldn't probably use a triple jump
But for a fast-moving river with 2 stones..
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@mariner4life I’d prefer the Gladiator (movie) approach “100 days of games” 😀
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@act-crusader angry lions and tigers are harder and harder to come by.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
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@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
That's rewriting history. In his semi and final he was not in the race until an accident he couldn't have foreseen gifted him a result.
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@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
It's probably actually worse even than that, because it's not like he chose a race plan of sitting back and waiting. He had no more choice in it than I would have!
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@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
It's probably actually worse even than that, because it's not like he chose a race plan of sitting back and waiting. He had no more choice in it than I would have!
Matter of fact he did.
Coach told him he could not outskate the others so hang back and let them go at each other.
It's a great narrative that it was pure luck, but he out thought his opponents and was tactically better.
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@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
It's probably actually worse even than that, because it's not like he chose a race plan of sitting back and waiting. He had no more choice in it than I would have!
Matter of fact he did.
Coach told him he could not outskate the others so hang back and let them go at each other.
It's a great narrative that it was pure luck, but he out thought his opponents and was tactically better.
Hoping a skater would take out the entire field so he could come from last is better tactics? Come on man! If that were the case, why don't more top skaters employ this genius?!
I wouldn't belittle his efforts over years and years to get into that position, but to not say he was insanely lucky in that race seems a strange line of thought
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@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
It's probably actually worse even than that, because it's not like he chose a race plan of sitting back and waiting. He had no more choice in it than I would have!
Matter of fact he did.
Coach told him he could not outskate the others so hang back and let them go at each other.
It's a great narrative that it was pure luck, but he out thought his opponents and was tactically better.
Hoping a skater would take out the entire field so he could come from last is better tactics? Come on man! If that were the case, why don't more top skaters employ this genius?!
I wouldn't belittle his efforts over years and years to get into that position, but to not say he was insanely lucky in that race seems a strange line of thought
Who won?
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@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
It's probably actually worse even than that, because it's not like he chose a race plan of sitting back and waiting. He had no more choice in it than I would have!
Matter of fact he did.
Coach told him he could not outskate the others so hang back and let them go at each other.
It's a great narrative that it was pure luck, but he out thought his opponents and was tactically better.
I'd believe this if there was a shred of evidence before the fact this was his plan.
It defies the common sense test: I'll skate dead last in the semi final and hope by sheer chance the skaters in front of me crash, otherwise I'm fucked.
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@antipodean said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
It's probably actually worse even than that, because it's not like he chose a race plan of sitting back and waiting. He had no more choice in it than I would have!
Matter of fact he did.
Coach told him he could not outskate the others so hang back and let them go at each other.
It's a great narrative that it was pure luck, but he out thought his opponents and was tactically better.
I'd believe this if there was a shred of evidence before the fact this was his plan.
It defies the common sense test: I'll skate dead last in the semi final and hope by sheer chance the skaters in front of me crash, otherwise I'm fucked.
I can't see this as anything other than a case of pure luck. Sometimes it just happens that way, better to be lucky than good
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@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@booboo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Olympics Thread:
Yeah you’ve mentioned the Phelps thing before and it doesn’t help your argument. Another ridiculously stupid statement.
As I said last year: Phelps has won a single Olympic gold medal where he alone was the fastest over a distance: 200m freestyle. Paavo Nurmi and Carl Lewis are better Olympians.
If I recall correctly you also said that Bradbury’s achievement was greater than anything Phelps ever did. That’s easily the stupidest thing I’ve ever seen on TSF, although the argument that butterfly is equivalent to jogging comes close.
Having seen Bradbury do an after dinner speaking thing I have huge respect for him.
He survived an accident where he lost 4L of blood and having all 4 quadriceps sliced by a skate, and a broken neck, and "trained 5 hours a day 6 days week for 12 years to get that lucky".
Multiple Olympic and World Championship medallist who played the best game. It wasn't all about speed. It was about being first across the line. The others were idiots.
I’m not going to question Bradburys dedication or background but that win was more arse than grass. The same thing happened in the semis as well. Only one guy fell and took the others with him. Do you want a race where they all just hang back and wait for someone to fall? Saying the others were “idiots” is utterly absurd.
Not at all. They were always going to be clambering over each other. He out thought them. Raced the better race.
Akin to a soccer team putting 10 men behind the ball and scoring on the break in the 93rd minute.
It’s akin to defending the entire game and hoping for 2 own goals.
It's probably actually worse even than that, because it's not like he chose a race plan of sitting back and waiting. He had no more choice in it than I would have!
Matter of fact he did.
Coach told him he could not outskate the others so hang back and let them go at each other.
It's a great narrative that it was pure luck, but he out thought his opponents and was tactically better.
I support booboo here
nb he had a decade of wretched luck, told he could never compete again after major injuries. And he wasn't a hack skater so he did have more options than most of us here (well certainly me, I skate like a drunk U2 surveilance plane on daihatsu training wheels).
Steven Bradbury’s strategy leading into remarkable gold medal race
Bradbury won Australia's first Winter Olympics gold medal in 2002.
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Even for the Fern, I find it bizarre that we're debating this.
For Bradbury, sure the tactics were sound. He had no chance of challenging by skating his fastest, so he sat back maybe further than he would have normally, to clear the carnage from any potential crash. Great. He said they thought that if it came off, a bronze may be possible.
What actually happened was a skater took everyone out, and he skated through to claim Gold. Unbelievable luck! Would be good to go back through all the finals of similar events and see how often the bloke in last on the final lap actually wins because all the other skaters fall.
I'm guessing not many.
A fine strategy for Bradbury. But what is unarguable, is that it would be a ludicrous strategy for any actual gold (or other) medal hopeful. You're resigning yourself to a roll of the dice, with the odds massively against you, rather than backing your ability. To suggest that any of the actual medal chances should have done the same is just nuts.
He didn't out-think anyone. He did the only thing he could possibly do. He bought a lottery ticket and he got the winning numbers.
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@voodoo said in Too many events at the Olympics?:
Even for the Fern, I find it bizarre that we're debating this.
For Bradbury, sure the tactics were sound. He had no chance of challenging by skating his fastest, so he sat back maybe further than he would have normally, to clear the carnage from any potential crash. Great. He said they thought that if it came off, a bronze may be possible.
What actually happened was a skater took everyone out, and he skated through to claim Gold. Unbelievable luck! Would be good to go back through all the finals of similar events and see how often the bloke in last on the final lap actually wins because all the other skaters fall.
I'm guessing not many.
A fine strategy for Bradbury. But what is unarguable, is that it would be a ludicrous strategy for any actual gold (or other) medal hopeful. You're resigning yourself to a roll of the dice, with the odds massively against you, rather than backing your ability. To suggest that any of the actual medal chances should have done the same is just nuts.
He didn't out-think anyone. He did the only thing he could possibly do. He bought a lottery ticket and he got the winning numbers.
I was going to agree with you then I thought no, he knew he could not consistently keep up with the speed of the four. So he did what he had to do. Lucky, sure, but the best tactic for him, he had 10+years of international experience and a helluva lot of injuries.
It's not unbelievable if his coach predicted it could happen (as Bradbury said). Just unlikely. But possible.How good was he? He'd been better, according to him https://www.athletesvoice.com.au/steven-bradbury-medal-i-struggled-to-accept/
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@nostrildamus pretty sure you just did agree with me... 😀
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@voodoo I’m not sure about it resulting in Gold, but I found a few articles that essentially concluded the same thing that crashes are pretty common in short track speedskating.
